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I am so not a fan of The Ethicist
My 78-year-old mother has moderate dementia and suffers from mood swings, depression, anxiety, agitation and disturbed sleep. One of her doctors recommended a low-dosage CBD/THC gummy to alleviate these problems. She takes one daily and, combined with other therapies, now experiences more stable moods and better sleep.
The issue is my mother’s conviction that marijuana is for drug addicts and criminals, never mind that medical marijuana is legal in our state. She is so vehemently opposed to marijuana use that she disapproved when my dying sister used marijuana years ago for pain relief from inflammatory breast cancer. I have to lie to her about the ingredients in the gummies, which I casually refer to as ‘‘multivitamins.’’ Is it wrong to give my mother a drug that she would never have voluntarily taken on her own? — Name Withheld
From the Ethicist:
You think your mother’s attitude toward cannabis is irrational. I agree. Generations of government propaganda have doubtless left a mark. But the fact that your mother’s degree of hostility to the stuff is unwarranted doesn’t settle the matter.
Here are a couple of issues to take into account. One is — no surprise — the extent of her dementia, because it affects her ability to understand what you’re telling her about these gummies. From what you say, she would be perfectly capable of understanding that the gummies contain chemicals extracted from cannabis plants, one of which is responsible for psychoactive effects she regards with disapproval. And long before her current condition, you evidently weren’t able to reason with her about the possible medical benefits of THC. In general, we shouldn’t lie to people about the drugs we’re giving them, and your mother would want to know what’s in those gummies. Mild dementia wouldn’t justify denying her that information. But the more serious her dementia is, the more you have to treat her not as someone whose rational capacities must be addressed but as someone whose care is entrusted to you.
Which brings us to a second issue. When we’re acting in the interests of someone who is no longer capable of making reasonable decisions, we may have to bear in mind not just what we think is best for them but what we know they would have thought was best for them. A person who was keeping kosher before she developed dementia shouldn’t be fed bacon, unawares, because her trustee doesn’t believe in Jewish dietary laws. Even if you judge that your mother has passed the point where she can make decisions, you will still have to decide how central her longstanding hostility to cannabis was to her sense of who she was. And you will have to weigh this against the contribution of these gummies to her welfare. Weighing these issues properly involves having a detailed understanding of your mother’s situation; I hope spelling out the issues helps you to do so.
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The issue is my mother’s conviction that marijuana is for drug addicts and criminals, never mind that medical marijuana is legal in our state. She is so vehemently opposed to marijuana use that she disapproved when my dying sister used marijuana years ago for pain relief from inflammatory breast cancer. I have to lie to her about the ingredients in the gummies, which I casually refer to as ‘‘multivitamins.’’ Is it wrong to give my mother a drug that she would never have voluntarily taken on her own? — Name Withheld
From the Ethicist:
You think your mother’s attitude toward cannabis is irrational. I agree. Generations of government propaganda have doubtless left a mark. But the fact that your mother’s degree of hostility to the stuff is unwarranted doesn’t settle the matter.
Here are a couple of issues to take into account. One is — no surprise — the extent of her dementia, because it affects her ability to understand what you’re telling her about these gummies. From what you say, she would be perfectly capable of understanding that the gummies contain chemicals extracted from cannabis plants, one of which is responsible for psychoactive effects she regards with disapproval. And long before her current condition, you evidently weren’t able to reason with her about the possible medical benefits of THC. In general, we shouldn’t lie to people about the drugs we’re giving them, and your mother would want to know what’s in those gummies. Mild dementia wouldn’t justify denying her that information. But the more serious her dementia is, the more you have to treat her not as someone whose rational capacities must be addressed but as someone whose care is entrusted to you.
Which brings us to a second issue. When we’re acting in the interests of someone who is no longer capable of making reasonable decisions, we may have to bear in mind not just what we think is best for them but what we know they would have thought was best for them. A person who was keeping kosher before she developed dementia shouldn’t be fed bacon, unawares, because her trustee doesn’t believe in Jewish dietary laws. Even if you judge that your mother has passed the point where she can make decisions, you will still have to decide how central her longstanding hostility to cannabis was to her sense of who she was. And you will have to weigh this against the contribution of these gummies to her welfare. Weighing these issues properly involves having a detailed understanding of your mother’s situation; I hope spelling out the issues helps you to do so.
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The thing is, the analogies have to make sense. You can't say that you like coffee but not dolls and that you like jump ropes but not tea.
So, now, if you're going to randomly invoke kosher rules to make a point, and you're already talking about medical gummies, why jump to bacon? Bacon is not analogous to medicine, plus, the gummies are right there, you're already talking about them.
A more apt comparison would be "If you know that your senile mother was a traditionally observant Jew who, prior to the dementia, had always kept strictly kosher, would it be okay to give her medicine in non-kosher gelatin formulations?"
(Except that the answer there is "You'd better ask a rabbi", so maybe we should just leave Judaism out of it entirely and postulate that this analogous mother is a vegan.)
Also, I don't think he thought out his conclusion enough, but I'm so annoyed by his thoughtless comparison that I can hardly get that far.
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"There's a stem cell treatment that would improve her quality of life, but she's a staunch anti-choicer and believes stem cell treatments are all evil."
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The issue of lying to someone with dementia for their own benefit -- something vaguely relevant to my life right now, dealing with an increasingly cognitively confused parent who is firmly refusing help -- is fraught, and has absofuckinglutely nothing to do with Judaism.
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Observant Jew; extremely elderly cat who would only eat her kibble if it was doused in bacon grease.
As I understand it (as a lay observer), as with fast days where you are prohibited from fasting if you have a medical condition that would harm you if you tried it, you can break the prohibitions on which foods you should not eat in the interests of saving a life.
Kitty got bacon grease; human ate bacon for the purpose of preserving the cat's life.
(This friend was eventually diagnosed with celiac, and at that point took the stance that now she knew what G-d had specifically forbidden her to eat, and she might as well enjoy the things that she was not medically forbidden from.)
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Technically the orthodox halacha on that would be that the cat food is not human food and kashrut doesn't apply, so if she brings in bacon grease from a bacon-eating friend and uses different utensils, it's fine. (But your lay observations on food restrictions and health are correct.)
Also I love your friend's talmud ("the stance that now she knew what G-d had specifically forbidden her to eat"), much win, very Jewish, 18/10, would endorse.
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The most hardline rabbi on the planet would say "if the gelatin is actually necessary for her health, then give it to her, otherwise, don't" because pekuach nefesh has been the law for more than 2000 years. That's why the analogy is so bad. In fact, if the LW had, as context, said their mother was an observant Jew, then it would be a much better analogy! Although in that case, the answer should still be "ask your mother's rabbi."
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Also, the LW isn't just lying about what drug they're giving their mother--they're pretending it's not any sort of drug, just a multivitamin. Somehow that feels worse than if the LW told their mother that the gummies were "a new anti-anxiety drug, modern science is so wonderful."
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That’s what I was wondering. Just tell her the dummy is what the doctor recommended as a sleep aid.
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1) Is mom actually being harmed by taking the marijuana gummy? - The evidence suggests no she is not being harmed, and in fact it helps her significantly.
2) Would mom suffer harm if she knew she was taking a marijuana gummy? - The evidence suggests yes, because of her past extreme disapproval she would suffer significant moral harm by if she knew she was taking a marijuana gummy. She would feel betrayed by LW and her doctors, which would lead to trust issues. And that could be very frightening for someone with dementia, not to be able to trust their caregivers; especially as the dementia progresses and they can't remember the reason why, just that they can't trust them.
Since LW has to lie to mom about it, imho that suggests mom still has enough mental capacity to know and understand what she's taking. Imho LW should talk to her doctors to see if there's anything mom could take instead, that works as well as the gummy.
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Also, IIRC, isn't CBD isolated because it is NOT the psychoactive part?
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That said, "taking medicine derived from cannabinoids" has a different vibe than "getting high on marijuana" (just like opioid medication vs smoking opium). I wonder if the mom is still able to be reasoned with, if "scientists have extracted the medicinally valuable compounds" would help.
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With this situation, the actual ethical question I would have liked The Ethicist to bring up is: is this medication for the benefit of Mom and her quality of life, or for the benefit of her caregiver(s) and not having to deal with Mom's mood swings and sleep disturbances. I suspect the answer is probably both, because low quality sleep contributes to mood swings and general exacerbation of miscellaneous symptoms in general, but also this smacks uncomfortably of dosing psychiatric patients into compliance. But also also, dementia is terrible and does LW have the respite care they almost certainly need.
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(My estranged father died of dementia; my mother was his caregiver until the end.)
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Part of my job is to keep a food & drink diary of those days and evaluate how Mom is doing vs how she was doing last time I saw her. This is part of how we keep track of slow slides that my siblings can't see. I kind of hate it, but it works. :(
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I'm sorry and I hate this for you.
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Yessss this is important
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I think that in this case LW would be fine continuing the story of a multivitamin if it means that their mother was kept in a stable situation. I don't think it is unethical bc I don't think that the parent has the faculties in which to control their health anymore. If this means they are taking something they need but don't understand the need is greater than the understanding.
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If I thought LW's mom was at a point where she could still comprehend and discuss the difference between pot and CBD/THC extract and what benefits the pills are giving her with a doctor, I think there's a reasonable chance she'd be more ok with it than LW thinks. But if we're at the point where the "it's a multivitamin" lie works, we're probably at the point where she'd have to have that discussion again every time she administered the pills, even if it worked the first time. At some point, lying to dementia patients becomes palliative care.