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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2024-09-14 04:38 pm

I am so not a fan of The Ethicist

My 78-year-old mother has moderate dementia and suffers from mood swings, depression, anxiety, agitation and disturbed sleep. One of her doctors recommended a low-dosage CBD/THC gummy to alleviate these problems. She takes one daily and, combined with other therapies, now experiences more stable moods and better sleep.

The issue is my mother’s conviction that marijuana is for drug addicts and criminals, never mind that medical marijuana is legal in our state. She is so vehemently opposed to marijuana use that she disapproved when my dying sister used marijuana years ago for pain relief from inflammatory breast cancer. I have to lie to her about the ingredients in the gummies, which I casually refer to as ‘‘multivitamins.’’ Is it wrong to give my mother a drug that she would never have voluntarily taken on her own? — Name Withheld


From the Ethicist:

You think your mother’s attitude toward cannabis is irrational. I agree. Generations of government propaganda have doubtless left a mark. But the fact that your mother’s degree of hostility to the stuff is unwarranted doesn’t settle the matter.

Here are a couple of issues to take into account. One is — no surprise — the extent of her dementia, because it affects her ability to understand what you’re telling her about these gummies. From what you say, she would be perfectly capable of understanding that the gummies contain chemicals extracted from cannabis plants, one of which is responsible for psychoactive effects she regards with disapproval. And long before her current condition, you evidently weren’t able to reason with her about the possible medical benefits of THC. In general, we shouldn’t lie to people about the drugs we’re giving them, and your mother would want to know what’s in those gummies. Mild dementia wouldn’t justify denying her that information. But the more serious her dementia is, the more you have to treat her not as someone whose rational capacities must be addressed but as someone whose care is entrusted to you.

Which brings us to a second issue. When we’re acting in the interests of someone who is no longer capable of making reasonable decisions, we may have to bear in mind not just what we think is best for them but what we know they would have thought was best for them. A person who was keeping kosher before she developed dementia shouldn’t be fed bacon, unawares, because her trustee doesn’t believe in Jewish dietary laws. Even if you judge that your mother has passed the point where she can make decisions, you will still have to decide how central her longstanding hostility to cannabis was to her sense of who she was. And you will have to weigh this against the contribution of these gummies to her welfare. Weighing these issues properly involves having a detailed understanding of your mother’s situation; I hope spelling out the issues helps you to do so.

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[personal profile] purlewe 2024-09-15 02:39 am (UTC)(link)
I read a book last year about a woman whose mother had dementia. Her mother, a medical doctor who was the top in her field, knew every medication that was known to help with dementia (even tho she was in denial about her dementia) Any time any of her own doctors recommended a drug she recognized the name of and knew why it would be prescribed she suddenly would become fully capable of her faculties and argue with her docs on WHY SHE WOULD NOT TAKE THE DRUG. Finally when her mother became quite uncontrollable in any other situation the doc suggested to the daughter the meds he had been trying to prescribe with the caveat that this was the one time it was ok to lie to the mother. To simply tell her they were a multivitamin. The mom took them eagerly saying that a multivitamin was all she needed. When she went into a memory care nursing home the nurses there told the daughter that it was a common thing to tell their patients it was a multivitamin bc many of them would not take their daily meds. That as long as someone what prescribing and they were administering they would do what the patient needed most, even if it was a small lie.
I think that in this case LW would be fine continuing the story of a multivitamin if it means that their mother was kept in a stable situation. I don't think it is unethical bc I don't think that the parent has the faculties in which to control their health anymore. If this means they are taking something they need but don't understand the need is greater than the understanding.
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[personal profile] melannen 2024-09-15 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah based on my experience with my grandmother and great-grandmother, it sounds like LW's mother is pretty far along - she is taking pills that she doesn't remember being prescribed; the doctors are comfortable prescribing without her consent. Of course it's always hard to get people to take pills they don't remember being prescribed, especially when that person knows they're feeling off and their brain isn't working right - a lot of dementia patients get paranoid that the pills are what is making them sick (a reasonable conclusion if you don't remember where you are or why you're being given pills but strangers are trying to force them on you!)

If I thought LW's mom was at a point where she could still comprehend and discuss the difference between pot and CBD/THC extract and what benefits the pills are giving her with a doctor, I think there's a reasonable chance she'd be more ok with it than LW thinks. But if we're at the point where the "it's a multivitamin" lie works, we're probably at the point where she'd have to have that discussion again every time she administered the pills, even if it worked the first time. At some point, lying to dementia patients becomes palliative care.