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Dear Prudence: My Husband Throws Away My Things Without Asking, Because Minimalism
We’re talking everything from furniture to Christmas cookies … that I wanted to eat!
My husband and I have been happily together for nearly 20 years; we have one son and lots of shared values. While we both tend towards minimalism, we disagree strongly on how to accomplish it. My husband is a tosser; I take a more measured approach. Here are some examples:
1) He throws perfectly usable items into the trash rather than donating them, mostly because of the time involved. For example, we recently bought our son a new bed frame. His old one was expensive and still usable, but all the donation centers in town were closed for the holidays. I was willing to take it when they opened, but he refused to wait and put it out on the curb.
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2) He throws things away before we are ready to do so. My coworker baked us holiday cookies, but we had them in the house less than 48 hours before hubby tossed them, claiming they weren’t being eaten. They were, just more slowly than he liked.
3) He’s not always gracious about it. My parents visited for Christmas, bringing gifts in boxes my mom had decorated by hand. She must have spent hours decoupaging these boxes, which were very pretty and could have been reused, if not by us, than by someone. But while they were still staying with us, he put them in the trash with the rest of the wrapping detritus. My mother noticed and was crushed, so I mumbled that it was a mistake and used them to store Christmas decorations when she took them down.
Am I out of line when asking my husband to dial back on the quick trashing of things? I’m by no means a hoarder, but I can tolerate a small amount of clutter for a short amount of time. He can’t, and I recognize that. But might there be room for compromise? How do I word this?
— Toss-Up Over Tossing
Leaving aside the environmental and social impact of landfilling things unnecessarily, it’s not okay for him to throw away stuff that is also your property—whether that’s furniture or baked goods—without your approval. That borders on stealing, and I worry about what such a habit says about his respect for you and your preferences. (Trashing your mother’s handmade giftboxes—a lovely effort I’m sure she made clear to everyone—while she was still there is honestly kind of monstrous!) It’s interesting (read: concerning) that it’s obvious to both of you that you operate differently, but he doesn’t appear to be at all concerned about whether his behavior is out of line.
But I guess it’s kind that you want to accommodate him and compromise; after all, it’s no fun to feel like you’re surrounded by junk. Can you come up with an area in the house, like a corner of the garage, a closet, or under a bed, where things can live when he is done with them but you aren’t? It’s reasonable to keep the clutter out of sight, but while you decide what to do with it, there are places it can go that aren’t the trash. And the very least he could do would be to have a conversation with you when he’s feeling the itch to purge something and let you figure out another option.
This isn't minimalism, it's boundary pushing.
*(seriously? I can think of a LOT of ways that only reinforces and escalates with a guy who's fine insulting LW and her mother to their faces they both smooth it over without confrontation).
This man doesn't bring joy.
Re: This isn't minimalism, it's boundary pushing.
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😂😂😂
I automatically parsed this in UK English and could not understand one reading how
was at all compatible with
To be clear: tosser defined.
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Or out on the lawn, unsheltered, if he's already gone and thrown away the doghouse.
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giggles
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(I'm also wondering what is his position on books, thinking of some horrid tales circulating recently. Are they to go completely electronic?)
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Been a long time since I made a Gratuitous Icon Post, or GIP.
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(GIPs deserve a comeback.)
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Given that I sympathize with the husband's impulses, I have two thoughts. First, while I am tempted to just throw out everything contributing to the mess, I don't do it because I know it would hurt my wife and kids. LW's husband doesn't seem to care, and that's a big problem. Second, my wife knows that clutter has a deep effect on me, and although it doesn't bother her, she puts extra effort into tidying up when the mess starts to get to me. Our marriage would not work if she were unsympathetic to this issue and unwilling to sometimes prioritize my mental health.
So I think the columnist's suggestion that LW have a conversation with her husband about how to help him cope is a good idea, but it doesn't get address the bigger issue that he's an asshole.
p.s. I could manage a forced smile if somebody gave me a decoupaged box, but only barely.
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But throwing out two-day-old homemade cookies because "they weren't being eaten"? Without asking anyone? How does LW keep any food at all in the house?
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Let me be sparklingly clear: this man does not understand boundaries, and you are suggesting only subtly shifting the boundaries.
No, if there is any peace to be had, it is in getting him to understand - AND RESPECT - boundaries. Your answer will not do that, and will, instead, make him feel (rightly so!) that his family is being deceptive and manipulative in their attempts at keeping him from keeping the house neat.
/me tosses the husband. AND PRUDIE. FFS.
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Answers like this one make me miss Danny Lavery and even Emily Yoffe :(
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LW should tell husband "unless it's wet/mouldy/otherwise actively hazardous, YOU CANNOT THROW OUT MY STUFF WITHOUT ASKING ME FIRST!!!!"
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I would not have made it to 20 years, or even 20 months, before curbing the man himself over this piece of neurosis. (Edit: neurosis is how I refer to my own mental health challenges. I'm going for snarky, not disrespectful.)
LW probably doesn't want to jump to divorce, but if Yes The Entire Man doesn't get some psychiatric help for his psychiatric needs that I'm not armchair diagnosing, I do not see the situation getting better.
(Alternately, he could be a regular old run of the mill controlling asshole who gets his kicks throwing things away that he knows his wife and others he allegedly cares for do not want to be thrown away! There's not enough info in the letter to tell!)
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Marie Kondo, the queen of minimalism, has confessed that she did this to her family when she was a child. In interviews she still brings it up as a regret.* She learned better. So can this tosser.
Throwing someone else's possessions away is a form of abuse. Why isn't the columnist calling it that? If the tosser needs a minimalist environment to chill in, let him clean out the garage attic and sit there, instead of plaguing his family.
*From an interview in the Guardian, 8 January 2022: [Q] What do you owe your parents? [A] The many items I threw out without them knowing.
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I think it would be fair to negotiate a compromise - that the family designate ONE single room that they will try to keep uncluttered, and in exchange he is to keep his hands off everyone else's stuff.
It's okay to need a minimalist environment due to Anxiety/neurodiversity/sensory issues etc.
It is NOT OKAY to throw out other people's stuff!