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minoanmiss ([personal profile] minoanmiss) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2022-01-18 01:44 pm

Dear Prudence: My Husband Throws Away My Things Without Asking, Because Minimalism



We’re talking everything from furniture to Christmas cookies … that I wanted to eat!

My husband and I have been happily together for nearly 20 years; we have one son and lots of shared values. While we both tend towards minimalism, we disagree strongly on how to accomplish it. My husband is a tosser; I take a more measured approach. Here are some examples:

1) He throws perfectly usable items into the trash rather than donating them, mostly because of the time involved. For example, we recently bought our son a new bed frame. His old one was expensive and still usable, but all the donation centers in town were closed for the holidays. I was willing to take it when they opened, but he refused to wait and put it out on the curb.

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2) He throws things away before we are ready to do so. My coworker baked us holiday cookies, but we had them in the house less than 48 hours before hubby tossed them, claiming they weren’t being eaten. They were, just more slowly than he liked.

3) He’s not always gracious about it. My parents visited for Christmas, bringing gifts in boxes my mom had decorated by hand. She must have spent hours decoupaging these boxes, which were very pretty and could have been reused, if not by us, than by someone. But while they were still staying with us, he put them in the trash with the rest of the wrapping detritus. My mother noticed and was crushed, so I mumbled that it was a mistake and used them to store Christmas decorations when she took them down.

Am I out of line when asking my husband to dial back on the quick trashing of things? I’m by no means a hoarder, but I can tolerate a small amount of clutter for a short amount of time. He can’t, and I recognize that. But might there be room for compromise? How do I word this?

— Toss-Up Over Tossing


Leaving aside the environmental and social impact of landfilling things unnecessarily, it’s not okay for him to throw away stuff that is also your property—whether that’s furniture or baked goods—without your approval. That borders on stealing, and I worry about what such a habit says about his respect for you and your preferences. (Trashing your mother’s handmade giftboxes—a lovely effort I’m sure she made clear to everyone—while she was still there is honestly kind of monstrous!) It’s interesting (read: concerning) that it’s obvious to both of you that you operate differently, but he doesn’t appear to be at all concerned about whether his behavior is out of line.

But I guess it’s kind that you want to accommodate him and compromise; after all, it’s no fun to feel like you’re surrounded by junk. Can you come up with an area in the house, like a corner of the garage, a closet, or under a bed, where things can live when he is done with them but you aren’t? It’s reasonable to keep the clutter out of sight, but while you decide what to do with it, there are places it can go that aren’t the trash. And the very least he could do would be to have a conversation with you when he’s feeling the itch to purge something and let you figure out another option.
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This isn't minimalism, it's boundary pushing.

[personal profile] feldman 2022-01-18 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
How about, instead of relegating her possessions to a safe space under the fucking bed*, how about 'he can't throw something away if it's not his'? Y'know, start small with kindergarten.

*(seriously? I can think of a LOT of ways that only reinforces and escalates with a guy who's fine insulting LW and her mother to their faces they both smooth it over without confrontation).

This man doesn't bring joy.
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Re: This isn't minimalism, it's boundary pushing.

[personal profile] cimorene 2022-01-18 07:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, my whole reaction to this letter is a big "YIKES".
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[personal profile] jadelennox 2022-01-18 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)

😂😂😂

I automatically parsed this in UK English and could not understand one reading how

My husband and I have been happily together for nearly 20 years; we have one son and lots of shared values.

was at all compatible with

My husband is a tosser; I take a more measured approach.

To be clear: tosser defined.

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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2022-01-18 09:04 pm (UTC)(link)
It does absolutely sound as though he ought to be sleeping in the doghouse.

Or out on the lawn, unsheltered, if he's already gone and thrown away the doghouse.
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[personal profile] dabbleswithpoisons 2022-01-18 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Lol, I mean calling him a tosser seems accurate in both usages.
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[personal profile] oursin 2022-01-18 07:44 pm (UTC)(link)
If hoarding is pathological, so is this. Especially as he is unhoarding other people's stuff and things which - like cookies - are actually likely to get consumed within the foreseeable future!

(I'm also wondering what is his position on books, thinking of some horrid tales circulating recently. Are they to go completely electronic?)
Edited (sp) 2022-01-18 19:45 (UTC)
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[personal profile] melannen 2022-01-18 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
LW, if this is something your husband can't figure out how to compromise on, I know a service you can call that can dispose of things for you! Whole entire things even.
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[personal profile] purlewe 2022-01-18 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel like if they share values he definitely could learn to compromise. and that if he doesn't he should be the ones tossed out.
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[personal profile] melannen 2022-01-19 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah I was trying to call in Whole Man Disposal Services but I guess I was too subtle. :D
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[personal profile] lemonsharks 2022-01-19 05:14 am (UTC)(link)

Been a long time since I made a Gratuitous Icon Post, or GIP.

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[personal profile] melannen 2022-01-19 06:26 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! &heart;

(GIPs deserve a comeback.)
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[personal profile] dabbleswithpoisons 2022-01-18 09:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, to be honest I though husband's obsessive throwing away seems like it rises to the level of A Problem rather than a neutral preference. Throwing away *other people's* possessions? Throwing away gifts, and not even being able to wait until the giver's left? Throwing away food that's presumably still good, not because it's not being eaten, but because it's not being eaten *fast enough?* That's not a lifestyle preference, that looks either compulsive or abusive, possibly both.
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[personal profile] shirou 2022-01-18 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a compulsion. I have the same impulses, although less severe—I would not feel compelled to throw out still-good food if properly stored. I love my kids, but living with their mess is a challenge for me, and I am forever tidying up.

Given that I sympathize with the husband's impulses, I have two thoughts. First, while I am tempted to just throw out everything contributing to the mess, I don't do it because I know it would hurt my wife and kids. LW's husband doesn't seem to care, and that's a big problem. Second, my wife knows that clutter has a deep effect on me, and although it doesn't bother her, she puts extra effort into tidying up when the mess starts to get to me. Our marriage would not work if she were unsympathetic to this issue and unwilling to sometimes prioritize my mental health.

So I think the columnist's suggestion that LW have a conversation with her husband about how to help him cope is a good idea, but it doesn't get address the bigger issue that he's an asshole.

p.s. I could manage a forced smile if somebody gave me a decoupaged box, but only barely.
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[personal profile] frenzy 2022-01-19 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
I also love getting rid of things and giving things away, but wow, I CAN ASK MY PARTNER FIRST. good night. The husband tossing the cookies without even asking is just buckwild to me.
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[personal profile] melannen 2022-01-19 06:25 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I can see someone just not realizing the boxes were special, if they aren't someone who thinks about that kind of thing (and if the MIL didn't make a fuss about them). And "is it worthwhile to donate this piece of old furniture" is something you can have an honest disagreement about, because it's not clearcut, and it sounds like they at least discussed that one, LW just lost the argument.

But throwing out two-day-old homemade cookies because "they weren't being eaten"? Without asking anyone? How does LW keep any food at all in the house?
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[personal profile] green_grrl 2022-01-19 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
FLAMES. ON THE SIDES OF MY FACE. I’m so glad I live alone. The first time someone did this to me would be the last time they were under my roof.
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[personal profile] xenacryst 2022-01-19 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
What the fuck kind of answer was that, Prudie? Really? Hiding it under the bed? For fuck's sake, are you suggesting hiding the bed frame under the bed? Are you suggesting that the cookie jar be kept in the garage?

Let me be sparklingly clear: this man does not understand boundaries, and you are suggesting only subtly shifting the boundaries.

No, if there is any peace to be had, it is in getting him to understand - AND RESPECT - boundaries. Your answer will not do that, and will, instead, make him feel (rightly so!) that his family is being deceptive and manipulative in their attempts at keeping him from keeping the house neat.

/me tosses the husband. AND PRUDIE. FFS.
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[personal profile] lemonsharks 2022-01-19 05:12 am (UTC)(link)

Answers like this one make me miss Danny Lavery and even Emily Yoffe :(

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[personal profile] lilysea 2022-01-19 04:04 am (UTC)(link)
AAARGH, no! :(

LW should tell husband "unless it's wet/mouldy/otherwise actively hazardous, YOU CANNOT THROW OUT MY STUFF WITHOUT ASKING ME FIRST!!!!"
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[personal profile] lemonsharks 2022-01-19 05:09 am (UTC)(link)

I would not have made it to 20 years, or even 20 months, before curbing the man himself over this piece of neurosis. (Edit: neurosis is how I refer to my own mental health challenges. I'm going for snarky, not disrespectful.)

LW probably doesn't want to jump to divorce, but if Yes The Entire Man doesn't get some psychiatric help for his psychiatric needs that I'm not armchair diagnosing, I do not see the situation getting better.

(Alternately, he could be a regular old run of the mill controlling asshole who gets his kicks throwing things away that he knows his wife and others he allegedly cares for do not want to be thrown away! There's not enough info in the letter to tell!)

Edited (Explain) 2022-01-19 05:16 (UTC)
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[personal profile] movingfinger 2022-01-19 07:16 pm (UTC)(link)
wft Prudie, what is UP with this incarnation?

Marie Kondo, the queen of minimalism, has confessed that she did this to her family when she was a child. In interviews she still brings it up as a regret.* She learned better. So can this tosser.

Throwing someone else's possessions away is a form of abuse. Why isn't the columnist calling it that? If the tosser needs a minimalist environment to chill in, let him clean out the garage attic and sit there, instead of plaguing his family.

*From an interview in the Guardian, 8 January 2022: [Q] What do you owe your parents? [A] The many items I threw out without them knowing.
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[personal profile] lilysea 2022-01-20 08:21 am (UTC)(link)
If the tosser needs a minimalist environment to chill in, let him clean out the garage attic and sit there, instead of plaguing his family.

I think it would be fair to negotiate a compromise - that the family designate ONE single room that they will try to keep uncluttered, and in exchange he is to keep his hands off everyone else's stuff.

It's okay to need a minimalist environment due to Anxiety/neurodiversity/sensory issues etc.

It is NOT OKAY to throw out other people's stuff!