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Care & Feeding: I want to date a Black man.
I am having a bit of an issue. I am a white woman, and I am crushing hard on a man that I met at a gas station who is African-American and works there. Ever since I was in high school I have been super attracted to Black men, but I’ve never had the opportunity to date a Black man. My worry is not at all about what others will think if they were to see us walking hand in hand down the street, because I couldn’t care less what other people may think. My biggest issue is I really want to tell him that I have always wanted to date a Black guy, but I keep getting stuck on saying the Black guy part of that. I really don’t want to offend him, and I really want to know how to tell him that without making myself sound like a racist or something. How can I tell him I’ve always been very attracted to Black men?
—Dumbfounded in Dallas
Dear Dumbfounded,
Normally I tackle parenting-related questions around here, but as a Black man, I couldn’t resist this one.
Try looking at this a little differently. Let’s pretend that a guy showed some romantic interest in you and early in the courting process he said, “I know this may sound strange, but I’ve always wanted to date a woman with feet as pretty as yours.” There’s no mention of your personality, your intelligence, your sense of humor or anything—just the fact that he really likes your toes in sandals. Wouldn’t you think that’s weird? I wouldn’t blame you one bit if you used those pretty feet of yours to run as fast as you could in the opposite direction. The same rule applies here.
The fetishization of Black men is a real thing. Don’t believe me? The most bizarre example happened a few years ago I was on a Caribbean cruise and an extremely intoxicated white man stumbled over to me and asked if I would be willing to have sex with his wife while he watched. He didn’t ask or care if I was married, and he didn’t ask his wife—who was visibly mortified in the background. He just wanted to me to be a part of his twisted fantasy, which I not-so-politely declined.
In my adult life I had more white women than I care to remember state how they’ve always wanted to “date” (or have sex with) a Black man, and their reasons weren’t the greatest, either. They usually fell into one of two categories: white men couldn’t satisfy them, so they wanted to see if the myths are true about the sexual prowess of Black men, or everyone said how wrong it is for white women to date Black men, so they wanted to be rebellious. I’m not sure what category you fall into, but you should ask yourself why you want to date a Black man. In other words, are you looking for love or are you looking to get laid? You’re a grown woman, so I’m not going to fault you either way as long as you’re upfront and not deceitful, but I’ll give you a quick pointer: don’t bring up the fact that you’ve always wanted to date a Black guy, especially early on, because you’re going to sound just like the foot fetish guy. It’s totally unnecessary and some things are best left in your back pocket until a more appropriate time.
I think you should go for it, but don’t make it weird.
—Doyin
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Doyin my brother you got this half right. You are absolutely right on the fetishization aspect (oh sweet haploid Jesus) but you missed where she met him. She met him at his service job, where he has to be nice to customers -- you should have cautioned her that what she saw was interest was professional warmth and kindness, nothing more.
Plus the fetishization aspect, ye gods and little fishes. Oy.
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This woman can find other compliments - "your skin is clear" immediately comes to mind given the number of beauty products marketed to Black people that promise to make the ashy skin go away.
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Yeah, I meant to add a postscript about the difference between fetishization and appreication but my brain hurts today.
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There's a MASSIVE difference between "Tessa Thompson is gorgeous, warm, funny, has great comic timing, is a talented actress and seems like a lovely human being and anyone dating her is very fortunate" (appreciation)
vs "all age-appropriate Black women are effectively interchangeable in terms of dating" (fetishization)
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Yeah, OMG
"I think you should go for it, but don’t make it weird."
Noooooooooo he works there, there is zero ways not to make it weird don't harass this guy at his job ESPECIALLY don't harass this guy at his job where he could get fired , arrested, or killed if you or someone else doesn't like the way he rebuffs your white-lady advances OMFG OMFG OMFG
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That does seem like the honest thing to do, except that being told this runs the risk of leaving lasting scars on the person's psyche.
I honestly wish the columnist had 1) pointed out the workplace thing and 2) dissuaded her. She needs to be able to tell Black people apart before she should date any of us.
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yeah. I have a friend who has a fetish for (unexpected class of people), and I find it cringey, but she's had good luck being honest upfront. Some people are into it, some aren't. But I'd be angry if I found out after the fact.
(Everything MM said about service jobs makes this a big old NOPE from me anyway, unless they meet in another context.)
ETA: MM is also right about psychic scars. It should just be a nope.
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If I had to, for some Godawful reason, help LW work through this, I would ask her why she wants to date Black guys. What features draw her? How universal does she think these features are? Would she be disappointed in a Black man who didn't have those features? I think she needs to dismantle her mental category "Black guys", which implies that everyone in it is similar enough to be interchangeable, and understand the smaller components that she likes while understanding that any/all of these components are not the entirety of a person.
And she needs to stay away from people she's met at their workplaces, no matter how charming. OMG. Run, Gas Station Dude. RUN NOW.
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At least theoretically that makes sense to me. IF someone wants to opt in to being fetishized, having a set place to go find partners makes sense. And helps reduce the chances of trauma for the rest of us.
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I know, right? UGH.
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