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minoanmiss ([personal profile] minoanmiss) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2021-09-28 10:37 am

Care & Feeding: I want to date a Black man.



I am having a bit of an issue. I am a white woman, and I am crushing hard on a man that I met at a gas station who is African-American and works there. Ever since I was in high school I have been super attracted to Black men, but I’ve never had the opportunity to date a Black man. My worry is not at all about what others will think if they were to see us walking hand in hand down the street, because I couldn’t care less what other people may think. My biggest issue is I really want to tell him that I have always wanted to date a Black guy, but I keep getting stuck on saying the Black guy part of that. I really don’t want to offend him, and I really want to know how to tell him that without making myself sound like a racist or something. How can I tell him I’ve always been very attracted to Black men?

—Dumbfounded in Dallas


Dear Dumbfounded,

Normally I tackle parenting-related questions around here, but as a Black man, I couldn’t resist this one.

Try looking at this a little differently. Let’s pretend that a guy showed some romantic interest in you and early in the courting process he said, “I know this may sound strange, but I’ve always wanted to date a woman with feet as pretty as yours.” There’s no mention of your personality, your intelligence, your sense of humor or anything—just the fact that he really likes your toes in sandals. Wouldn’t you think that’s weird? I wouldn’t blame you one bit if you used those pretty feet of yours to run as fast as you could in the opposite direction. The same rule applies here.

The fetishization of Black men is a real thing. Don’t believe me? The most bizarre example happened a few years ago I was on a Caribbean cruise and an extremely intoxicated white man stumbled over to me and asked if I would be willing to have sex with his wife while he watched. He didn’t ask or care if I was married, and he didn’t ask his wife—who was visibly mortified in the background. He just wanted to me to be a part of his twisted fantasy, which I not-so-politely declined.

In my adult life I had more white women than I care to remember state how they’ve always wanted to “date” (or have sex with) a Black man, and their reasons weren’t the greatest, either. They usually fell into one of two categories: white men couldn’t satisfy them, so they wanted to see if the myths are true about the sexual prowess of Black men, or everyone said how wrong it is for white women to date Black men, so they wanted to be rebellious. I’m not sure what category you fall into, but you should ask yourself why you want to date a Black man. In other words, are you looking for love or are you looking to get laid? You’re a grown woman, so I’m not going to fault you either way as long as you’re upfront and not deceitful, but I’ll give you a quick pointer: don’t bring up the fact that you’ve always wanted to date a Black guy, especially early on, because you’re going to sound just like the foot fetish guy. It’s totally unnecessary and some things are best left in your back pocket until a more appropriate time.

I think you should go for it, but don’t make it weird.

—Doyin
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[personal profile] lilysea 2021-09-28 03:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I was reading this letter as a random white woman from Australia with only the 101 level understanding of racism in the US and my toes were curling in horror... :(
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[personal profile] gingicat 2021-09-28 03:40 pm (UTC)(link)
My BFF tells me, a lot, that my freckles are very pretty. I don't *think* she's fetishizing them.

This woman can find other compliments - "your skin is clear" immediately comes to mind given the number of beauty products marketed to Black people that promise to make the ashy skin go away.
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[personal profile] lilysea 2021-09-28 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
In my [limited] understanding

There's a MASSIVE difference between "Tessa Thompson is gorgeous, warm, funny, has great comic timing, is a talented actress and seems like a lovely human being and anyone dating her is very fortunate" (appreciation)

vs "all age-appropriate Black women are effectively interchangeable in terms of dating" (fetishization)
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[personal profile] beable 2021-09-28 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)


Yeah, OMG
"I think you should go for it, but don’t make it weird."

Noooooooooo he works there, there is zero ways not to make it weird don't harass this guy at his job ESPECIALLY don't harass this guy at his job where he could get fired , arrested, or killed if you or someone else doesn't like the way he rebuffs your white-lady advances OMFG OMFG OMFG

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[personal profile] mirlacca 2021-09-28 10:20 pm (UTC)(link)
THIS.
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[personal profile] ambyr 2021-09-28 05:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I realize I'm speaking as a white person here, but I feel like if you want to date someone because you fetishize them, the correct thing to do is to tell them this upfront (so they can run like hell), not hide it from them to lure them into a false sense of security.
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[personal profile] ambyr 2021-09-28 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, fair point. Ideally she backs away and says nothing!
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[personal profile] jadelennox 2021-09-28 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)

yeah. I have a friend who has a fetish for (unexpected class of people), and I find it cringey, but she's had good luck being honest upfront. Some people are into it, some aren't. But I'd be angry if I found out after the fact.

(Everything MM said about service jobs makes this a big old NOPE from me anyway, unless they meet in another context.)

ETA: MM is also right about psychic scars. It should just be a nope.

Edited 2021-09-28 18:20 (UTC)
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[personal profile] likeaduck 2021-09-29 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
Personally I think the polite thing when looking to fetishize someone based on identity is to be upfront about it in a forum where people who are interested can opt in to being fetishized and other people don't have to be exposed to it while trying to do their jobs--at least, as someone who hooked up with some dudes who posted m4ftm ads back in the day, that's my feeling on my particular axis of fetishization. (BUT/AND/ALSO I'm very hesitant to assume this extends to race-based fetishization.) RIP craigslist personals.
Edited 2021-09-29 02:34 (UTC)
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[personal profile] cimorene 2021-09-28 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I thought ASKING OUT SOMEONE WORKING A SERVICE JOB AT WORK IS GROSS, DON'T DO IT was advice columnist 101! This answer is actually shocking for that AND the fact that he thinks she should go for it.
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[personal profile] movingfinger 2021-09-29 06:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I have to wonder whether the answer would be the same to a white man saying "[e]ver since I was in high school I have been super attracted to Asian women, but I’ve never had the opportunity to date an Asian woman." I don't think so.