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magid ([personal profile] magid) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2025-06-19 07:18 am
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Social Q’s: No Need to Feel Flattened by a Fifth Wheel

Third question in this week’s NY Times’ Social Q’s, posted because I’m flabbergasted by the guests’ question.

Twice recently, my husband and I were invited to dinner at the homes of couples we know. We assumed they wanted to get to know us better. But both times, we were surprised to be joined by a visiting family member. At one, it was a cousin from down the street; at the other, it was a visiting niece. Their presence definitely changed the dynamic. Did these hosts behave politely, or are my husband and I correct that they were inconsiderate and rude to include others and take away from the intention of the evening?

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I think that you and your husband should reconsider your notion of hospitality. In both cases, your hosts shopped, cooked, tidied their homes and served you dinner. Yet you interpret all that generosity as rudeness because of an extra guest. That strikes me as rigid and ungrateful.
You don’t mention either couple specifying a dinner for four. Hosts aren’t obliged to share their guest lists in advance. And the idea that you couldn’t get to know one another better because an extra person was there seems silly. Feel free to arrange your dinner parties as you like. But don’t degrade the generosity of others: It’s unflattering.
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[personal profile] summerstorm 2025-06-19 11:36 am (UTC)(link)
were they hoping for a swingers situation, what
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[personal profile] cimorene 2025-06-19 01:11 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a born-yesterday-ass question. Or, idk, possibly a question from a culture where dinner parties don't exist.
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[personal profile] ambyr 2025-06-19 02:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I have slightly more sympathy here than other commenters, I think, because I too am disconcerted to arrive for what I think is a small gathering with friends only to find a larger gathering that includes strangers. It requires me to put on a different social face, and it helps to know that in advance. (I am thinking here about the time I thought I was going for a one-on-one walk with a friend right after I'd gotten the news of my grandfather's death, and was all ready to share the news and cry on her shoulder, only to find she'd brought someone else I barely knew. It was not great!) But LW's framing is still weird.
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[personal profile] frenzy 2025-06-19 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I don't think theyre being rude, but I am autistic enough that I'd prefer to know how many folks are being around and if I know them or not.
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[personal profile] lilysea 2025-06-19 03:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think it's rude to have an extra guest, but it would have been nice to warn LW so that they could set their mental expectations / emotional expectations.
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[personal profile] castiron 2025-06-19 04:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I've just realized that "visiting family member" would be processed in my mind as "someone who's part of the household (even if they actually live down the street or are only temporarily in town)", so would no more seem weird to have at the dinner than any other adult who lived in the household. Which is interesting because I don't actually come from a culture of having regular dinner parties or visiting relatives.
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[personal profile] edenfalling 2025-06-19 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel like it wouldn't be too difficult to ask if other guests will be present. Something like, "I understand that this is a slightly intrusive question, but I get easily flustered by surprises. Can you let me know if anyone besides you and your spouse will be present?"