Oh, no, if it isn't the consequences of his own actions....
Dear Carolyn: My husband and I separated due to a disagreement 10 months ago. As always, I picked up our son after work and then fixed dinner — my responsibility because my husband says he needs to decompress after work. I used the last of the butter making the mashed potatoes, and my husband berated me for 15 minutes for not having any butter to put on top of the potatoes. As I was cleaning up, it occurred to me how often this happens. If things are not perfect for him, he blows up at me. Before the baby, I spent so much effort ensuring that everything was to his liking, but since the baby, I can’t keep up.
I tried to think of what he ever does to make me happy and came up empty.
I tried to talk to him about this, but he kept twisting it that I was mad at him for wanting butter on his mashed potatoes. I insisted on counseling, and that’s what he kept telling the therapist. She told us therapy wouldn’t work if he was going to stonewall like that. He laughed about it on the way home, saying he showed her.
I took our son and moved out. My husband told me, “Come back when you grow up.” That was two months ago.
Since then, I’ve realized how much easier life is without him. I just have to care for my son and not scramble around trying to make everything perfect for my husband, so there’s actually a little time for me. My husband finally realized I’m serious and is begging for another chance, saying he’ll treat therapy seriously and do more for our son, but I don’t want to try again. Is that awful? Do I owe it to our son and my husband to make myself try again?
— Better Without
Better Without: You owe it to your son not to try again with someone emotionally unwell. Such gloating control and mental abuse is unhealthy for anyone in its range.
Great that your husband’s willing to “treat therapy seriously,” or says he is. But they’re different things, and neither is the try-again point.
First, he may just miss being fed.
Second, he could mean it but still never grow enough for a good enough marriage — one you’d want to be in and want your child to learn from.
Third, he may do all the work and become Santa Claus, and if you don’t want to move back, that’s enough.
If you want to return, then treat his reversal as his very very firstest step of the minimum steps before you’ll even discuss it:
1. Admitting he needs therapy. Solo, not couples. For serious emotional problems that make him unhealthy to live with.
2. Doing all the hard work.
3. Learning that if any of this work is to get you back, then it’s still about him, not you.
4. Being the best, maturest single co-parent he can be. Understanding it’s his only functional path forward.
5. Proving — over time and under duress — that having things “to his liking” is no one’s problem but his or his paid staff’s.
This is information only, not a nod for reconciling. You owe your son a healthy home, not one with his father in it. Solo counseling for you might help.
A reader’s thought:
· You’ll notice he didn’t consider his behavior a problem when he was hurting you, but his behavior finally started hurting him, so now it’s a problem! You should ask him why he didn’t take your unhappiness seriously before. I’d love to know the answer.
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I tried to think of what he ever does to make me happy and came up empty.
I tried to talk to him about this, but he kept twisting it that I was mad at him for wanting butter on his mashed potatoes. I insisted on counseling, and that’s what he kept telling the therapist. She told us therapy wouldn’t work if he was going to stonewall like that. He laughed about it on the way home, saying he showed her.
I took our son and moved out. My husband told me, “Come back when you grow up.” That was two months ago.
Since then, I’ve realized how much easier life is without him. I just have to care for my son and not scramble around trying to make everything perfect for my husband, so there’s actually a little time for me. My husband finally realized I’m serious and is begging for another chance, saying he’ll treat therapy seriously and do more for our son, but I don’t want to try again. Is that awful? Do I owe it to our son and my husband to make myself try again?
— Better Without
Better Without: You owe it to your son not to try again with someone emotionally unwell. Such gloating control and mental abuse is unhealthy for anyone in its range.
Great that your husband’s willing to “treat therapy seriously,” or says he is. But they’re different things, and neither is the try-again point.
First, he may just miss being fed.
Second, he could mean it but still never grow enough for a good enough marriage — one you’d want to be in and want your child to learn from.
Third, he may do all the work and become Santa Claus, and if you don’t want to move back, that’s enough.
If you want to return, then treat his reversal as his very very firstest step of the minimum steps before you’ll even discuss it:
1. Admitting he needs therapy. Solo, not couples. For serious emotional problems that make him unhealthy to live with.
2. Doing all the hard work.
3. Learning that if any of this work is to get you back, then it’s still about him, not you.
4. Being the best, maturest single co-parent he can be. Understanding it’s his only functional path forward.
5. Proving — over time and under duress — that having things “to his liking” is no one’s problem but his or his paid staff’s.
This is information only, not a nod for reconciling. You owe your son a healthy home, not one with his father in it. Solo counseling for you might help.
A reader’s thought:
· You’ll notice he didn’t consider his behavior a problem when he was hurting you, but his behavior finally started hurting him, so now it’s a problem! You should ask him why he didn’t take your unhappiness seriously before. I’d love to know the answer.
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And that's about all that I care about him and therapy. LW can stay free as a bird with her baby and her life. Who needs that jerk!?
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5. Proving — over time and under duress — that having things “to his liking” is no one’s problem but his or his paid staff’s.
Nobody gets paid enough for this nonsense. Berating somebody for the lack of butter is not going to make the butter magically appear, and it's not going to keep mistakes from happening in the future. It just makes people sad.
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Exactly.
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FWIW, I wish I could yeet him into the sun so LW doesn't even have to think about him and his goddamn butter anymore.
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He proceeded to spend twenty minutes lecturing me on the first of four reasons why he'd done the thing, and only stopped at twenty minutes because I finally said I needed to go to bed. I spent days in dread that he was going to come back and finish the other three reasons, which he'd written down so he wouldn't forget them. That was when I realized that there was no point in trying to make the marriage work.
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That makes so much sense. I cannot think of a single relationship in my life where the other person has regularly berated me that ended up working, starting with my parents singly and together. I'm pretty sure the RDA of beration is zero!
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And tell him "sorry, I haven't grown up yet, so I'm not coming back."
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He laughed because he thought he pulled one over on the therapist? Good for you, LW, that you got out when you did. Don't even think about returning to him. He only wants his emotional punching bag back.
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You dodged a bullet there. You are indeed "Better Without". Stay the course.
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Congratulations on your progress at getting out. Stay strong. Don't go back to therapy with him. He may not be physically violent, but he likes to make other people unhappy.
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I don't know if I love the "you owe it to your son…" framing. LW deserves not to live with someone this selfish and unkind. (LW's (hopefully soon-to-be ex-)husband might also be "mentally unwell" but that's not why he's like this. Plenty of mentally ill people are lovely, supportive, caring partners. This guy is just an asshole.)
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You don’t owe it to your son to have his father in the house. I would argue that it’s better for your kid to see a model of a content single mom rather than growing up with the model that wives/moms bend over backward to accommodate husbands/fathers who treat them with disrespect. We sometimes become what we see growing up, and I doubt that’s the kind of husband/father you want your son growing up to become (on either side - if he ends up with a more dominant partner he may end up playing the bending-over-backward role, or may step into the disrespectful-lord role if he ends up with a more submissive partner).
You’re likely to deal with problems on this topic, particularly because Ex is almost certain to try to weaponize your son later on by casting the divorce as your fault, and that you’re selfish and the reason that his family isn’t together like some other families that your child will be acquainted with. Your child may lash out at you about this, particularly if he identifies himself more with the absent parent whose love he longs for (as versus the parent at home, whose love he takes for granted). But eventually your son will come to see the truth of who his dad is, and things will calm down. None of these are reasons to get back together with your ex; temporary suffering is always better than permanent suffering. They’re just things to prepare yourself for so it doesn’t hurt as much when it happens.
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yesssssssss thank you carolyn. i wish someone had told my mother this.