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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2022-02-09 04:05 pm

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Dear Pay Dirt,

My father was very, very wealthy. He died when I was 10, in a car wreck with his mistress. My mother remarried one of his business partners within the year.

I was obviously distraught and acting out. My stepfather wanted to send me to boarding school, but my maternal grandparents put their foot down. My mother loved me enough to listen and my stepfather just wanted me gone. I ended up having a comfortable middle-class life with my grandparents, where I occasionally rubbed elbows with the elites where I was trotted out like a trained pony when visiting my mother and her family. I had Mandarin, math, and music tutors while I attended public school. I was able to attend an Ivy League school but basically it wasn’t anything I earned. I got in because I had the name, the money, and acceptable grades.

I know I live a charmed life, but after my grandparents died I find it hard to trust. I have full control over my inheritance, but I live in a bungalow and drive a Honda. I have had two romantic relationships and one best friendship crash and burn because the minute I told the truth, they changed.

I have gotten closer to my mother and my younger half-siblings. My stepfather has had money issues for years. My mother has consistently approached me for “loans” to keep my siblings in their favorite private school. I have set money aside for their college education. I was fine with all that. But recently, my mother told me my stepfather was facing bankruptcy and needed a “private loan” from me. Nothing I’ve loaned them has ever been paid back and I didn’t expect it to be. But there are lines.

I told my mother that my financial adviser and lawyer need to be involved. She protested this was a family matter. I told her my siblings’ education was a family matter, and this was business. She told me my grandparents would be ashamed of me. I told her they were ashamed of her because she sent me away rather than give up her lifestyle. Her outfit cost more than my car and furniture were worth. Maybe downsize?

I think it would have hurt her less if I slapped her across the face. She left. And I feel my last bridge burning. What do I do?

—Just Trying to Do What’s Right


Dear Trying,

Your mother is putting you in an awkward position you don’t deserve. Likely she cares about your stepfather, even though it sounds like he was awful to you. It would be perfectly reasonable for you to ask that your financial adviser and a lawyer be involved even if you didn’t have the justifiable feelings you have toward your stepfather. In fact, making a loan official generally reduces conflict in the long run, because it ensures that everyone has the same expectations regarding what is being offered, and whether and how it is expected to be paid back. It sounds as if what your mother is trying to avoid here is accountability, or any limits on what you might be providing.

You should also acknowledge, at least to yourself, that this is business and a family matter. If you had a good relationship with your stepfather, your approach would likely be similar to the way you’re approaching your half-siblings. You feel the need to protect yourself more because he did not protect you growing up, and actively did things that harmed you. You have a right to be angry at him, and you do not owe him anything. You already know what your relationship with your grandparents was like and what they would think. Don’t let her use self-serving hypotheticals about what they would think about this situation to score points on behalf of your stepfather. And if your mother is telling you your relationship is over if you don’t bail out your stepfather, she is in the wrong, not you.

I am sorry that these things happened to you during your childhood—losing a parent is traumatic and hard, and it sounds like the circumstances of your father’s death made it more painful. To be rejected by a stepparent on top of that compounds the trauma. I hope you are seeing a good therapist because those are not things that are easy to cope with and the damage can have long-lasting effects. It’s no wonder that you have trouble trusting people; you’ve been abandoned in the past by people who were supposed to care for you.

I think it’s important to be upfront about all of these things in any serious relationship, by the way: your trauma, the way money affects your life, and so on. Anyone who rejects you upon learning about those things is not someone you could have a healthy, long-term relationship with in any case, but you also don’t want someone to feel deceived if you have been hiding these parts of yourself and your history out of fear. It erodes the thing you think is missing in your life: trust. Almost everyone has some kind of trauma, and in my experience writing this column, “my partner has too much money” is not exactly a common relationship problem. (“My partner does not have enough money” is.) You will find someone who’s right for you; just be honest with them.

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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2022-02-09 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
.... does the columnist remember their other letters? "My SO has a lot more money than I do but insists on a 50/50 split I can't afford" is a fairly common letter they get.
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[personal profile] melannen 2022-02-10 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
"Female partner outearns male partner and male partner is upset" also turns up constantly....
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[personal profile] tielan 2022-02-10 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
She has trouble trusting...a couple of people who betrayed her when she was a kid? I mean, they didn't beat her and toss her out into the street, but...they were not the picture of either loving or supportive parents either.

Yes, the loan to pull the stepfather out of penury absolutely needs to become a business matter. Just because it's family doesn't mean it shouldn't also be legally official. In fact, having it legal and official might very well enable them to continue being family, because so often 'family' has built-in assumptions on either side that the other party isn't aware of and which can become a major stumbling block later.

The phrase "trotted out like a trained pony", plus the private school half-sibs, throws up a bunch of red flags. It strongly suggests to me a case of the mom and stepdad living beyond their means.

I think she'd be well within her rights to demand to know exactly what her stepfather is going to do to keep from sinking into more financial distress. What's his business plan? What's his options? How does he plan to use the money that she's giving him? Is there any fiscal wisdom in his practises, or are they just going to throw good money after bad?

I also think it might be wise to be speaking to her half-sibs about her funding their education - she says she's connecting with them, but given the parents' huffiness at her refusal to fund their lifestyle, I'll bet that the line at home is "that sibling of yours has SO MUCH MONEY and can't even find it in them to GIVE US A LITTLE, they're so SELFISH and INCONSIDERATE!"

Also: re: the romantic relationships. I have more questions about the relationships that went sour. They act "middle class" in purchasing habits and people discover they're wealthy and suddenly the deal is off? That seems...unusual.
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[personal profile] torachan 2022-02-10 04:34 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, that was my assumption, too. Basically that when they found out LW had money they started acting weird about it in some way or another.
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[personal profile] xenacryst 2022-02-10 05:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Just a side note, because with the talk of very wealthy parents and step parents and facing bankruptcy, I would be very surprised if we weren't talking at least 5 figures here... Do talk to a lawyer, financial planner, and tax person. Remember that the tax limit for monetary gifts - even to family members (if they aren't dependents or included on the same return) - is around $15,000 (possibly a hair more this year, I can't remember). If it's not a legal loan, it's a gift, and you might care about that come tax time, and even if you don't the IRS might.

(It's niggly little facts like this that I find annoying with advice columnists - I know the letter and the response is - and should be - focused more on the emotional handling side of things, but sometimes you need to remind people of practicalities as a way to jumpstart their emotional processing.)
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[personal profile] movingfinger 2022-02-10 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I hope that LW has gotten their lawyer and financial advisor involved before this. But it doesn't sound like it. Assuming LW is in the US:

1. LW shouldn't be sending their mother and stepfather "loans" to cover school tuition or college fees and tuition either. Pay those directly to the institution! This is a very common situation and all of them are set up to send a copy of the bill to a third party and to properly process payment from a third party. This also shields the LW from any gift tax implications, as money paid on behalf of a beneficiary in this way is not taxable and does not count toward the lifetime exempt amount.

2. Any further cash to LW's mother and stepfather should be done via a legally binding loan document, interest charged, and the loan amply secured. (And if Mom tries to use jewelry, get it appraised independently.) Frankly, LW shouldn't be handing them more cash even with those measures, because as sure as the sun rises, they will default and put LW in the position of repossessing whatever security they put up and that will involve a lot of expensive legal bullshit.

It is simpler and more efficient to say no cash loans or gifts, but to continue to support the stepsiblings by direct payments to their educational institutions.

3. As a side note, LW inherited from their *maternal* grandparents. That means that there was very likely an inheritance for LW's mother and stepsiblings, unless LW's mother alienated her parents incredibly thoroughly, which is not a common event. Is there money in a restrictive trust that Mom can't touch, so she's hitting up her already-independent kid instead? I have a feeling about this, and the feeling is that LW is being taken advantage of.

4. The friend and lovers dumping LW for having money is not part of the question, and it's ugly, but LW should think about it a little more than just Woe is me. First: Where is the money from? Like, is this a dirty, ethically questionable inheritance linked to a harmful industry? Does LW need to examine that and divest/distance themselves? Second: Where are the friends and lovers from? The class system can be brutal in the US. LW is uncomfortable with having money, but are they trying so hard to pretend they don't that they are constructing/projecting a false impression of themselves? There is modesty, and there's phoniness. Be modest but don't be phony.
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[personal profile] movingfinger 2022-02-11 05:32 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, I see what you mean, I was reading it a little sideways. You're right, the mother married money. If the money LW has has come from their father (I suppose there was a trust), then they absolutely should not lend Mom and Stepdad money or give them any more cash. They should also make it clear to the stepsiblings that they will help by direct payment of their tuition and they're on their own after that, so choose wisely.

Sounds like the mother and stepfather burned through anything she inherited from her husband.

Giving the half-siblings a chance to start life without student loan debt is a huge gift worth more than the mere dollar amount.

If this LW has not found a good therapist to work through their feelings about their mother, they really need to do that asap. They don't have a lot of healthy relationship models (grandparents, I guess?) and they need to work through their father's shenanigans and their mother's rejection.
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[personal profile] lemonsharks 2022-02-10 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)

I do not like how the advice completely skipped over the LW's mother rejecting him to have her do-over family.