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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2024-11-07 02:00 am

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Dear Carolyn: I’m a rent-paying resident of the house I grew up in, and my roommates are my parents. I’ve been here three years.

My father announced this week he wants to sell the house “possibly” three months from now or at that time next year, and my mom decided they will move to their second home (a condo in Florida). When I asked for details on a timeline, my mom told me it’s none of my business and doesn’t concern me.

I’ve got my emotional responses and my rational ones. As a longtime rent-paying tenant, I think I am entitled to know what my timeline is for vacating the residence. As their daughter, I am mad and hurt that they’re so callous and unwilling to give me information that would help me make good decisions in a tight and expensive housing market.

And there’s an emotional response to losing the home I grew up in and love, but that’s mine to manage; they gotta do what they gotta do.

Am I asking too much? Am I being too needy?

— “Tenant”


“Tenant”: With an answer that gobsmackingly cold, and wrong, from your “roommate” — landlord, really — I have to think you will be better off emotionally once you’re out of this arrangement. If nothing else, it’s a small offset to what I do understand will be a significant financial hit.

I mean, wow. I’m sorry.

I think the first-line rational response is, “Well, I live here now, and won’t be able to live here then, so that does indeed ‘concern’ me.”

But that’s so obvious, it might count as trying to reason with a brick wall.

Next, I’d start looking for my next home regardless. If it were at all feasible, I’d be offering to buy the place from them. (Probably encountering the brick wall again, but in the interest of being thorough, it needs saying.)

Assuming that’s out … and if you quote me on this I’ll deny writing it, even though this is public and the internet is forever: I might weigh the potential damage to what’s left of our relationship (thanks, Mommy!) against shoring up my finances for the housing market, and consider ceasing to pay them rent. But, like I said, I didn’t say that.

As for the emotional response, you didn’t give me any background to work with. Have they always been this way? Have you asked them what’s going on? It may be a therapy answer, since that degree of parental dismissiveness urgently wants exploring.

Re: Tenant: Is it possible they don’t really intend to move? They may have been hinting or cajoling or even outright asking their daughter to move — and she is the brick wall. She needs to move, and continue paying rent until she does.
— Anonymous


Anonymous: At first I thought, “Ooh, twist” — but it doesn’t fit. She is asking for a timeline! So they can give a timeline. Or, “timeline.” Done. But they refuse.

Other readers’ thoughts:

· See if you have a legal right of first refusal on the house. If you signed a lease, then check for that clause. It’s possible your parents have obligations to you, as their tenant, that they are either unaware of or deliberately not sharing. Good luck!

· Even if it’s an informal arrangement, tenants have rights. Check the laws in your location and look into free or low-cost advocacy or legal services. Your parents may owe you a specific timeline, and if they want to treat you like “it’s just business,” then, right back at them.

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[personal profile] matsushima 2024-11-07 08:48 am (UTC)(link)
Given how weirdly mean LW's parents are being about this, I doubt they're overflowing with parental affection (or even goodwill) in other areas…
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[personal profile] mrissa 2024-11-07 11:19 am (UTC)(link)
I'm recoiling a bit from the "see if you can buy their place" answers. I know moving is a pain, but so is doing real estate transactions with people who are this level of inconsiderate--and so can doing real estate transactions with family be. How many letters have we seen that are of the format "I paid market price for a home some family member was living in and other family members are acting as though they can be in my business permanently"? I really really hate moving, I can't believe I'm on the side of moving here, but...might it be worth moving just to be cleanly disentangled from this?
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[personal profile] castiron 2024-11-07 02:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Plus, is LW in the position to afford it, if they're renting in their parents' house rather than living in an apartment? If my kids were in their 20s and working at typical early 20s jobs, the two together still couldn't afford my house, unless I sold it to them at such a discounted rate that I couldn't afford something new.
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2024-11-07 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)

Those parents want the best of both worlds. Rent AND to treat their renter (their DAUGHTER) as disposable. Cooooooold.

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[personal profile] lilysea 2024-11-07 03:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, if they are charging rent

daughter should talk to a tenant's rights advice service

they are probably legally obliged to give daughter a certain number of days notice to move out
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[personal profile] adrian_turtle 2024-11-07 03:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Legal advice about tenants' rights is an excellent idea!

The obligation for landlords to give a certain number of days to move out varies according to state, if it is not specified in the lease. I suspect there is no lease, or a boilerplate month-to-month lease they downloaded from the state website, which requires them to give "at least 1 month notice."

If you didn't write it into the lease specifically, the landlord is not technically required to say whether the lease will end in 3 months or 9, or 15. If LW were renting from a stranger, it would arguably be a courtesy to give her a heads up that they were planning to sell the house in the near future and she might want to start looking for a new place to live. She just expects more information from family.
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[personal profile] topaz_eyes 2024-11-07 03:58 pm (UTC)(link)
LW needs to check the landlord/tenant laws in her jurisdiction to clarify what kind of arrangement she actually has with her parents. The landlord/tenant acts will state what kind of notice is legally required and when; however, those might be different for more informal or non-arms-length arrangements. LW should seek advice, especially if there's no formal lease agreement involved.
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[personal profile] ysobel 2024-11-07 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Followup at https://www.washingtonpost.com/advice/2024/11/01/live-chat-carolyn-hax/#link-047a10f429824feaa48fa14feab4e9a0


They never gave me a concrete timeline but I got my affairs in order. Before moving out, we did a group Swedish death cleaning. I purged almost everything I owned, I helped my dad pull together all his collections, price, and sell them. I did the heavy lifting of boxes, posting and selling on Facebook marketplace and Craigslist, and lots of trips to Goodwill. I took care of things when my dad was hospitalized unexpectedly. All while paying my over $2,000/month in "financial contributions to the household".

My parents stopped talking about how they were selling the house but to be honest I remembered how they said they wanted to sell and knew I'd get no consideration at all so when my friend told me an apartment was open in her building I jumped on the chance. I've been living overseas for over a year. It was a big but good change. I'm fluent in a new language and met my boyfriend who I adore.

They asked me why I felt like I needed to move, why I'm moving so far away, and when I'm coming back. When I'm feeling petty I just use their line, "that's really none of your business, it doesn't concern you."
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[personal profile] matsushima 2024-11-07 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm really glad LW got out. It sounds like the move was really good for her.

Also: All while paying my over $2,000/month in "financial contributions to the household".
Where do LW's parents live that $2,000/month is a reasonable rent for a room in a house?!
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2024-11-08 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
That is under market rate for a studio apartment near San Francisco, so location matters. A lot.
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[personal profile] magid 2024-11-08 02:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm very impressed that the LW did all that work for her parents, dealing with their stuff. I would not have been nearly so nice.

It's so glad to hear that she's in such a better space now that she's elsewhere.
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[personal profile] nineveh_uk 2024-11-09 05:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I am full of admiration for this LW.