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minoanmiss ([personal profile] minoanmiss) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2024-10-21 09:49 am

Dear Prudence: My Friends Are Abnormal

I can't make a single normal friend.
I can’t make a single normal friend. Not one. Not that not being the stereotype of “normal” is at all a bad thing, of course. All my friends are a little unusual: One goes into the woods to light candles and worship something I’ve never heard of; another is a gender I can’t pronounce; one dissociates and writes code at 2 a.m. while not blinking and singing Bad Omens; another is obsessed with serial killers. I support them all, but I can’t help but wonder, is there something about me that attracts unusual folks? I look around at other people and their friends laughing and talking about movies, and I wonder how my friend (lying on the floor talking about aliens) found me. Is there something about me that isn’t “normal,” or something that attracts them? Is there a way I can make more “normal” friends? My parents worry about me, they say I’ll be a loser in college if I can’t make “normal” friends. I don’t know what it is, and I don’t want to lose my friends, but how can I befriend more normals, to satisfy my family at least?

—I Swear I’m Normal


Dear I Swear,

Making a particular kind of friend to satisfy your family is a bad idea. I would go as far as to say that taking orders from your parents when it comes to who you socialize with, and putting a lot of stock in their views, makes you pretty “unusual” in your own way! I also think that you’ll soon realize that very few people are really normal—everyone has their quirks and strange ways and unique backstory.

Now, if what you want are cisgender, heterosexual, neurotypical friends with mainstream interests, those people do exist. Joining a fraternity or sorority when you get to college would probably up your odds of being connected with people who fit this profile. If there is something about you that is giving off “not normal,” and might turn them off, I suppose you could probably deemphasize it with enough effort. You wouldn’t be the first person to study a particular corner of social media and recreate the style, interests, and patterns of speech you see there, in an effort to tweak your presentation. But I can’t seriously endorse this plan. You’d be putting a lot of effort into how you look and your social circle looks, without any regard for how your life felt. That’s a recipe to feel like a fraud, and to experience the loneliness that comes with wondering whether people would still like you if you were authentic.

Instead, I suggest erasing the whole normal/not normal thing from your mind and taking a different approach entirely. Ask yourself “What do I want to feel when I’m around my friends, and am I currently feeling it?” and “What do I want my friendships to add to my life, and are they currently adding it?” For example, maybe right now you want to feel understood, and you don’t because your friends are too busy writing code. Or, maybe you want to go to movies and discuss shared interests, and that’s not happening because your friends only want to talk about extraterrestrial life. So the path forward would be to look for people who are good listeners and who are into the things you’re into, not to go on the hunt for “normal.”

And remember that whoever you’re trying to hang out with, it will be helpful to take a sincere interest in who they are and what they care about. You might feel more connected to your current friends if you, for example, asked for some details about whatever it is they’re worshiping in the woods (and why) instead of dismissing it as “something I’ve never heard of.” And whatever that allegedly unpronounceable gender identity is (I can’t imagine learning how to say it is actually out of reach for a person on their way to college!), I’m sure you could get your head around it with a bit of effort. This—paired with some real care about what that identity means of them—might really deepen your relationship. And as you meet your college classmates and get to know some better, make sure you’re putting as much thought into the kind of friend you are to them as much as you’re thinking about how weird or not weird they are.
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[personal profile] julian 2024-10-21 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I think probably younger teen, given the things she does and doesn't know.
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[personal profile] movingfinger 2024-10-21 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)
my first reaction is that this is a troll
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[personal profile] blueinkedfrost 2024-10-21 02:16 pm (UTC)(link)
These two lines struck me as the best parts of the advice:

So the path forward would be to look for people who are good listeners and who are into the things you’re into, not to go on the hunt for “normal.”

[M]ake sure you’re putting as much thought into the kind of friend you are to them as much as you’re thinking about how weird or not weird they are.

The second line should be 'put more thought into what kind of friend you're behaving like, than judging people for being weird', but the thought is there.
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[personal profile] melannen 2024-10-21 02:54 pm (UTC)(link)
LW, those "not normal" friends of yours may be more normal than you think - your friends are the people who trust you to know about things like what they worship in the woods or their 2 AM coding binges. You have no idea what the "normies" who talk about movies all day tell their friends when you can't hear (or keep secret only to themselves, because they think their friends are too normal to get it!)

Consider learning about your friends' weirdnesses an honor, not a problem.

I notice you don't actually mention if you're "normal" or not, or if you enjoy hearing about aliens and serial killers and altars in the woods. If you don't share interests with your friends, then you can make an effort to join in to conversations about the things you are interested in, and see what happens. But your letter sounds to me like you enjoy having weird friends and this is about what your family likes, not you (and if you want to know what about you is attracting weird friends to you - it's that you like being friends with them, and they can tell.)

It also sounds like you might still be in high school. High school friend-making works very different from all other friendmaking. You'll have a full reset in college, and if you get to college and make an effort to reach out to the kind of people you want to be friends with in your first days there, you can. But also, there's a much richer and more beautiful tapestry of "weird" friends in college, and you'll be missing out if you avoid them. (Also, if you do make friends with the "normal" people, they can also tell if you actually enjoy spending time with them or if you're secretly jealous of the people lying on the floor talking about aliens!)

Also, your parents are completely wrong about what makes you a loser in college, fwiw, and even if you do have only weird friends in college, that's not a bad thing and I promise it won't cause you difficulties later in life or anything. (Unless you go into a career like finance or something where passing as normie is part of the job. But if that's the case all your classmates will be normies and you'll have plenty of opportunity to learn from and bond with them.)
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[personal profile] laurajv 2024-10-26 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
my mother has stopped commenting on how weird all my friends are and started saying how nice it is that i always know people who have been doing interesting things. this might sound like she just learned to say it nicer, but genuinely: she likes that i'm friends with scientists, artists, writers, researchers who are also Rocky Horror cast members, people who run weird nonprofits, clergy of various religions, professors, carpenters, musicians, farmers, etc.

she just hadn't realized that weird people often grow up into interesting ones, because she only met those people in her own life AS ADULTS. she never got to see the larval weird part, because she met them in their 20s.
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[personal profile] jack 2024-10-21 03:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Possibility 1. They don't like their current friends but don't want to say so. I can see that that's a plausible assumption, but they don't say so, they don't sound like THEY mind the wood aliens, I don't know if it's certain that they're thinking this.

Possibility 2. They would like to do some normal social activities but don't have anyone to do it with. That doesn't have to be "join a sorority/fraternity", it can be somewhere between. I'm not sure if they do want this but don't know how to say so, or if they don't care but worry how it looks.

Possibility 3. They're worried that they can't get on with average people, and that getting on with most people on their course would be useful. That's reasonable! But it will probably turn out ok. They don't need to hide weird, but you can learn to mix with typical people without leaning into "I could never do that".

Possibility 4. They're weird in a way they haven't realised yet. That seems really likely. And I agree that they should embrace who they are, not who society thinks they should be. All the other answers still apply
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[personal profile] lokifan 2024-10-22 10:02 am (UTC)(link)
Agreed! Especially with 4 (and I think 2 and/or 3 would line up with it well). Like I'd be v unsurprised if LW is neurodivergent, given the particular flavour of weirdnesses they describe here and the ways ND people tend to bond. And whether they know about it or not - I'd guess not - that might well be playing into the worry that they can't get on with 'average' people.
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[personal profile] dissectionist 2024-10-21 03:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel for this kid because it’s very clear where their condescension is coming from; it’s something they’ve heard a whole lot about from their parents, and their parents have raised them with the terror of “If I’m not socially acceptable, with other socially acceptable people who like me, I’m going to be a loser, and a loser is a the worst thing to be.” Having to carry that kind of weight of desperation, and trying to force yourself into a very specific mold, is incredibly stressful on a child.

I hope this kid is able to realize sooner rather than later that their parents don’t know everything, the parents are way off base on this one, and they’ll be much happier if they stop dividing people into normal/weird (where weird = loser) categories.
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[personal profile] adrian_turtle 2024-10-21 07:20 pm (UTC)(link)
This reminds me painfully of when I was a teenager. There were a few real weirdos, wildly unpopular kids, that I liked. (And didn't have much opportunity to spend time with, because they were older than I was, or went to different schools. This was long ago when long-distance calls cost non-trivial amounts of money.) And I knew a lot of normal people but didn't especially want to make friends with them, even the ones who weren't objectionable. My mother was really worried about me being unpopular, and wanted me to make friends with normal people. There were lots of them! They seemed so nice! She would have wanted to make friends with them, if she'd been 15.

My father, of blessed memory, reassured me that I would soon be able to look for friends in a larger group. I would eventually find the people I wanted to be friends with. A high school has more people than a middle school, and thus I'd be more likely to find kindred spirits. College has more people still. (Perhaps that's why I chose such a big university.) Sad that poor LW doesn't have someone like my dad to reassure them. It's sort of impressively self-aware that the kid is reaching out to somebody else for that reassurance.
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[personal profile] firecat 2024-10-21 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I’m sorry LW has such judgy parents. My parents worried about my being able to make friends. I did, no problem, and they were all weird. I guess they were weird in ways my parents were OK with. (Given some of THEIR friends, they would have been big hypocrites if they hadn’t been, haha.)

My own weirdness blossomed over time. So my having always preferred weird people as friends makes sense. Once in a while I’ve made a point of trying to make friends with someone less weird and it usually didn’t work over the long term.
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2024-10-23 05:59 am (UTC)(link)
This sounds very much like a person who has been shuffled into the Weird Kids social cluster at high school, and may or may not appreciate being there. With dreadful parents. I think LW will be very much happier a little (or a lot) further from their parents' orbit.