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minoanmiss ([personal profile] minoanmiss) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2024-07-18 08:46 pm

Care & Feeding: My Wife Insisted We Have a Child Late in Life. I Completely Regret It.


Dear Care and Feeding,

My wife and I tried for eight years to have kids. After that, we gave up and decided to dedicate ourselves to making the best child-free life we could. The three years that followed were really happy. Then, out of nowhere, my wife got unexpectedly pregnant. By that time, I was in my mid-40s and had grown to love our child-free life, but my wife wanted a baby so much that I went along with the pregnancy even though I had a lot of worries. It turns out my worries were founded.

I am so ashamed, but I hate parenthood. Don’t get me wrong: I love our 3-year-old son. But I feel constantly resentful of the freedom we gave up, and too old and tired to summon the energy I would have had if the parenting plan had worked out a decade ago when it was supposed to. We don’t have any family support: My wife’s parents have retired to Florida and my parents are now in an assisted living facility. We don’t have any peer-group support: Our friends’ kids are all in high school, so they’re preparing to be empty-nesters, and the other parents in our son’s preschool are literally from a different generation. I don’t know what to do. I am seeing a therapist, but can’t help but feel that the life I should be living was stolen from me. I feel guilty and horrible about this, but the feelings aren’t going away. I’m seeking encouragement, perspective—anything you can provide.

—Too Old For This


Dear Too Old,

Even parents who have children at the “ideal” time in their lives can find themselves hating parenthood. I often say that kids are great, but parenting can really suck! It’s hard, often thankless work that requires constant sacrifice. Try your best to focus on the parts of parenting that you like the best, such as when your little one hops in your lap unexpectedly for cuddle time. Enjoy as much of it as you can while also finding other outlets for joy in your life. Though your schedule is likely busy, try to carve out time to start a hobby—maybe reading novels at night brings you great pleasure. There are three of you in the house, but you don’t have to do everything as a trio. Both you and your wife deserve to have solo time regularly that doesn’t revolve around the child. If the three of you usually run errands on Saturdays, consider letting one parent handle that alone while the other one takes your son to the park. Include as much pleasure in your life as you possibly can; cook your favorite meals, enjoy a glass of wine after dinner, and do your best to make time for intimacy with your wife. You will likely find that the more fulfilled you are outside of parenting, the better you will feel when you’re spending time with your kid.

As far as support, your peers may have older children now but they had younger ones in the past; they can still offer advice or even just lend an ear when you need to complain. Also, many parents will tell you that they miss the stage of life your child is in very badly when their kids get older; you may find that some of your friends would be happy to come by and spend time with your little one, or to accompany you all to the park or to brunch. With regard to the parents at your child’s school, intergenerational friendships can be incredibly rewarding; you may be surprised how insightful some of these young parents are, or just how much you have in common with some of them.

Your child is a blessing that you once wished for. He just didn’t come on the schedule you had intended. Continue talking to your therapist about your feelings. Purchase a journal and dedicate it solely to reflecting on positive moments with your son; when things get difficult, look back on some of the great times that you’ve had together. If you haven’t thus far, be honest with your wife about how you’re struggling; she may be managing her own conflicting feelings and you all can support one another. Remember that no parent enjoys childrearing 100 percent of the time; it’s a matter of focusing on the positive moments as much as you can. Give yourself grace when you’re feeling exhausted and remember that you’re doing the best that you can.
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[personal profile] p_cocincinus 2024-07-19 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
Honestly, when you're in the depths of the most thankless years of parenting, it's not helpful to be reminded that ~someday~ you may be able to do adult things again. It's every bit as maddening as being told to enjoy these moments because they go so fast as your child is having a screaming meltdown in the middle of Target. It's absolutely true, that the worst of the soul-sucking part of parenting is almost over when your kid is 3, and you're within reach of being able to have endless conversations about Roblox with the amazing human you made.

OP would really be helped by finding other people who like his son to babysit, and finding ways to reclaim being a self in the interim.
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[personal profile] tielan 2024-07-19 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
I'm getting "I want someone to validate me, so when I leave my wife with the kid nobody blames my ass for being selfish" vibes from this letter.

I could be wrong, of course. I hope I am. But I'm wondering if it's just me?



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[personal profile] inkstone 2024-07-19 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, I'm getting those vibes too.
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[personal profile] cereta 2024-07-19 10:42 am (UTC)(link)
Not just you, no.
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2024-07-19 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
Friend, you are supplied with a number of friends with kids at prime babysitting age. Would any of those children like to supplement their allowances with some sweet sweet cash in exchange for some free time for your wife and you?
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[personal profile] carbonel 2024-07-19 02:44 am (UTC)(link)
This entry strongly resonates with a recent post on BORU (Best of Redditor Updates), where the couple were initially fine with being child-free, but the husband's mother really wanted a grandchild. Now the husband is out of work and unhappy with his life and doesn't want to take on childcare.

The initial post is from the wife, but the husband weighs in, and his justifications make him look even worse.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/1e62876/aita_forcing_my_husband_to_choose_between_divorce/
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[personal profile] firecat 2024-07-19 05:47 am (UTC)(link)
“my wife got unexpectedly pregnant”

He makes it sound like she was visited by the holy spirit. When I wanted to maintain my childfree status I worked to prevent such things. Birth control can fail of course but I wonder if he was making any efforts in that direction.

“I went along with the pregnancy”

Therefore I have no responsibility for it or for managing my feelings around it. Someone did it to me.

“even though I had a lot of worries. It turns out my worries were founded.”

Most people worry whether the birth parent and baby will be healthy. Why do I get the impression this guy means oh no I will have to change a diaper and/or my wife won’t want sex for a few weeks…!

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[personal profile] oursin 2024-07-19 08:30 am (UTC)(link)
“my wife got unexpectedly pregnant”

Between existing failure to conceive + the whole rather misleading notion about 'her eggs do be shrivelling up in her ovaries after 25/30/35 whatever' I can just about comprehend this. In fact read in Proceedings of Something I Once Read In the Newspaper, a significant % of abortions in the UK are performed on women over 35 who had assumed from all the propaganda about breeding while they still could, i.e. before that age, that they were more or less barren stocks.
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[personal profile] conuly 2024-07-19 10:48 am (UTC)(link)
Even if you're actively in perimenopause, it turns out that when the ovaries aren't functioning they just sit there but when they are functioning they're in overdrive and you're likely to get two or three very fertile eggs at once. Surprise!
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[personal profile] oursin 2024-07-19 12:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, 'surprise menopause baby' was definitely a thing!
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[personal profile] firecat 2024-07-21 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
Wow!
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[personal profile] dissectionist 2024-07-19 01:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I don’t like this guy and don’t want to defend him. But (tiredly puts on ex-midwife hat, because there may well be readers here dealing with similar) worries and fears during pregnancy are so common that in my experience it’s unusual for people *not* to have them, even when it’s a desperately wanted child by both parents. As annoying as this guy sounds, I highly doubt it was fears about changing a diaper; men don’t continue trying for a baby for eight years if they’re afraid of poopy diapers. Trying to conceive while dealing with infertility is a soul-crushing process involving constant grief, disappointment, and stress, and nobody goes through that for fun.

His fears would almost certainly have been the incredibly common fears many people deal with: Will I be a good parent? What happens if I don’t love the baby? What if I hate parenthood? How will I cope with the stresses of having a child? and so forth. The thought that parenthood might turn out to be more than you understood or can handle is super-common. Almost everyone discovers they can cope once the kid(s) are actually here, but occasionally there are people like this guy, and it’s an awful position to be in.

Also the intimacy issues generally are far beyond “a few weeks of no sex”. I always tried to prepare couples for this - it may well be years, and you need to find ways to be intimate and connected even when the thought of sex is horrifying. Could you cuddle? Give massages? Hold hands in bed and talk? Being “touched out” is a real phenomenon after spending all day in close contact with a small child, and that needs to be respected. But we also need to acknowledge that a lack of intimacy can and does drive many parents apart, so we need to prepare ourselves for this likelihood and figure out ways around it that don’t involve guilting sexual contact out of an exhausted partner.

I don’t doubt the fears and pain he’s dealt with around this are real, and much like I saw from many of my clients. My worry with this letter is more that he doesn’t seem to show much interest in reframing his experience as anything other than “I got screwed and now I’m stuck.”
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[personal profile] dissectionist 2024-07-20 12:46 pm (UTC)(link)
If you ever want to have a bigger conversation about this stuff, let me know! I’m a firm believer in the concept that pregnancy and parenthood can be far less of (or nothing of) the emergency people expect, yet simultaneously, more of a chronic stressor than many people expect. The more we go into it prepared for what many people experience, the more informed our consent is, and the less likely we are later to feel like this is more than we bargained for and we want out. I’d far rather have someone’s reaction be, “Oh, right, I knew this would likely happen, looks like it’s here now, let’s deal with it,” as versus, “Holy shit, what fresh hell is this? How do I cope with this new fuckery?”
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[personal profile] firecat 2024-07-21 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
Fair enough, I shouldn’t have overlooked those very good points when snarking on the guy. But, as you also say, he does seem to be trying to put the blame on someone else and that’s a self-limiting attitude.
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[personal profile] dissectionist 2024-07-21 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
It’s definitely self-limiting, and he’s never going to feel good about parenting if he’s clinging to that vision. It’s okay to entertain occasional imaginings of “what could have been” (we all need mental escapes, especially parents of babies and young children), but when they start engaging with it as “what should have been”, that’s a fast path to feeling resentful and trapped.
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[personal profile] frenzy 2024-07-25 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I tried for a decade to get pregnant, failed, declared infertile, and got /very/ lax in my birth control.

uhhhh until then i got pregnant. ope.
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[personal profile] firecat 2024-07-26 11:39 am (UTC)(link)
That sounds like an adventure…
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[personal profile] frenzy 2024-07-26 03:30 pm (UTC)(link)
considering my husband left me because of my perceived infertility, boy was it. the co-conspirator had just broken up with me too when this small vanilla bean was discovered.

with no support network and no help, i took some dubiously-legal-in-my-state pills. its sad. but it was best for both of us.
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[personal profile] firecat 2024-07-27 10:18 am (UTC)(link)
Dang. Good that you were able to access the for-the-best option, but I’m really sorry you had to go through that.
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[personal profile] lethe1 2024-07-19 10:19 am (UTC)(link)
He is not even 50 and already feeling too old and tired, with no energy? Maybe he has an underlying medical condition.
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[personal profile] oursin 2024-07-19 12:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Or maybe this is just common-or-garden Male Midlife Crisis manifesting thusly.
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[personal profile] castiron 2024-07-19 02:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't find pregnancy at 38 that much more draining than at 28, but the one at 42 was noticably harder on me than the previous two. So yes, I do buy that he's noticing how much harder it is to deal with parenting a small child than it would've been ten years earlier.

And as a GenX married to a Boomer whose kids' classmates' parents are mostly Millenials? Yeah, hanging around with the other parents can make you feel old. It's surmountable, if LW decides he wants to get over it and learn to cope.
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[personal profile] melannen 2024-07-22 09:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean, part of the reason I decided by age 35 that I was never having kids is that I was already feeling too old and tired to keep up with the needs of young kids by the time I was 30. (Possibly I have a medical condition, but "I've been feeling old and tired since I was in college" is not something any medical professional will do anything about.)
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[personal profile] castiron 2024-07-19 01:51 pm (UTC)(link)
LW, "everyone is a generation younger than me" is not an insurmountable barrier to friendships. Yes, it's nice to hang out with people who get all your references, but it's also good to get to know people who don't share your exact life experience.
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[personal profile] redbird 2024-07-20 05:02 pm (UTC)(link)
It occurs to me that those parents and in-laws whose absence the LW is unhappy about are even more "literally from a different generation." and he seems to regret that. I wonder whether the part of the problem is that spending time with the parents of his son's preschool classmates would be a reminder that he's older than they are.