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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2024-05-02 12:19 pm
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A conversation about kittens led to a lecture from HR

Yesterday I was called into a meeting with HR where I was reprimanded for an inappropriate sexual comment that I made. I did make the comment, it was absolutely inappropriate, and I am mortified! I apologised to Joan, the coworker who raised it with HR, and I will make sure nothing like that ever comes out of my mouth again.

There was some context for the comment that Joan didn’t share with HR, and neither did I because I was too ashamed to say much. Another coworker, Beth, saw the whole interaction and thinks I should provide the context to HR now, and she has offered to verify what happened. I don’t think I should because it doesn’t unmake the comment, I don’t want to come across as blaming Joan, and I got the impression that HR considers the matter closed.

Here’s the context: it is well-known in the office that my partner and I foster kittens until they’re old enough to be spayed/neutered and adopted. Coworkers sometimes ask about the cats as break room small talk. Yesterday, Beth and I were sitting at the table having lunch and chatting, when Joan walked in to make coffee.

Beth: How many kittens do you have at the moment?
Me: Four little bottle-fed ones
Beth: Oh, so tiny! What have you named them?
Joan: I hate cats.
Me: Oh … we can talk about something else?
Joan: Cats are a menace and kittens should be drowned, not bottle fed.
Beth and me: …
Joan: Cats are disgusting, they walk over every surface to make sure everything is covered in their urine and feces germs. If you live with a cat, you’re basically walking around covered in urine and feces.
Beth and me: …
Joan: And they come and rub their face all over you after they’ve spent the whole day licking their own anuses.
Me: I mean, humans lick other people’s anuses, at least cats mostly lick their own.

Joan walked out of the kitchen and the next thing I know, HR is telling me I can’t make jokes about anal sex in the break room. What Joan said wasn’t okay either, but I wish I’d just continued to sit there in stunned silence. I think I should just mentally file her comments away under Joan being rude, as they’re not HR-worthy. But do you think I should give this context to HR so maybe they don’t think I brought it up out of nowhere? Or just let it go, learn from it, and try to move on?


Well … if we had a time machine, I’d want you to explain it in the initial conversation with HR — not as “so therefore my comment was OK,” but to explain that you didn’t just pop out with a analingus comment out of nowhere (in fact, Joan introduced the concept) and that Joan herself had opened with an alarming non sequitur advocating animal abuse, and if we’re reminding people of what is and isn’t okay to say in an office, perhaps there’s one more topic here that should be addressed.

But now, after the fact … well, I don’t think you have to go back and correct the record. They’ve probably moved on and don’t think it’s a huge deal. But it would also be fine if you wanted to go back and say, “I was too mortified in the moment to share this, but I did want to give you further context so you understand that I didn’t just make a sexual reference out of the blue, which I would not do.”

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[personal profile] dine 2024-05-02 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
LW should definitely go to HR and provide context. that's a pretty disturbing & inappropriate thing for Joan to say, and Beth can (and should) verify what exactly was said by whom
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[personal profile] tielan 2024-05-03 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
Yep. I think the context is pretty important in this case!
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2024-05-02 05:03 pm (UTC)(link)

Bast's blessings be upon LW.

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[personal profile] likeaduck 2024-05-02 05:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Has working in sexual health clinics ruined me for what's appropriate office culture? In my mind the problem with the comment is that it shames people who eat ass.
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[personal profile] cimorene 2024-05-03 08:04 am (UTC)(link)
Agreed, but I'm aware that offices don't think of it that way usually 😂
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[personal profile] topaz_eyes 2024-05-02 07:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, LW needs to go to HR and explain the entire context of the conversation. It's okay to hate cats, it's okay to say you hate cats, but Joan's further comments strike me as insulting to someone who fosters cats in their personal time.

And unfortunately LW now has a target on their head with that reprimand, even if HR considers the matter "closed."
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[personal profile] shirou 2024-05-04 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
At the start of the letter, I was preparing to roll my eyes at LW's "context" for making an inappropriate comment. Now I have to eat my (unspoken) words. Joan can fuck right off.