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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2024-03-22 02:02 pm

You know, LW, they do say the third time's the charm....

Dear Sahaj: My husband and I are an older couple (it’s a second marriage for us both), and we love each other and get along very well most of the time. My problem is that he has an annoying tendency to micromanage things that I feel are inconsequential, like how to carry out daily routines, household chores, the laundry and grocery shopping. He often says things like: “Use this pan to make the soup — not that one,” “Squeeze the toothpaste tube this way — not that way,” and “Don’t leave the bathroom door open a crack — close it fully.”

I’ve tried to get him to understand the concept of choosing his battles, but he just keeps micromanaging things every day until I blow up after several weeks, and we end up in an argument! I don’t think that he’s a total control freak, because he doesn’t try to prevent me from things like driving into town to meet a friend for lunch (we live in the countryside) or occasionally attending activities that interest only me. However, he often micromanages me after the fact by admonishing me for the price of gas or how I parked the car in the garage when I returned.

Today’s micromanaging episode inspired me to write. He’s responsible for laundry and — once again — he complained that I threw a sweatshirt in the basket only one day after he finished a load of laundry. He complained about the cost of electricity, water and detergent, but most of all how annoying it is that he can’t enjoy having an empty laundry basket for at least a week. I do re-wear my clothes many times before wanting them washed, but if I stain something I don’t feel comfortable wearing it again and feeling dirty or looking like a pig! These small but daily digs wear down my self-esteem and self-worth.

How can I get him to stop picking at me through micromanaging me and our lives without it ending up in an argument?

— Micro-Managed Wife


Micro-Managed Wife: It doesn’t sound like your husband is trying to control you but rather control how things are done. This is an important distinction because the former is a sign of something serious and deeply concerning, and is meant to strip you of your independence. Your husband has a very particular way of doing things, and he thinks you should be doing it his way, too. He is not treating you as an equal partner; he is infantilizing you.

It sounds like this is not new behavior, yet addressing it always ends in an argument. This may be because you bottle your feelings up until they are forced to be released. You want to be proactive, not reactive, when having a conversation about this. This means approaching the conversation when you feel calm enough to do so.

It’s possible that your husband is exerting control at home because something else in his life feels out of his control or is anxiety-inducing. Maybe he’s genuinely concerned about big things — like money — and assumes you aren’t. If there is an obsession with cleanliness or order, this might indicate a deeper mental health issue that needs a professional’s help. Or it could be that your husband genuinely thinks he is being helpful. Either way, his behavior is not kind nor respectful.

When your husband micromanages you, you can respond with curiosity. This may sound like: “I want to understand why this is so bothersome to you. Can you explain it to me?” This allows him to shed light on what he may be internally experiencing, or why he worries about certain behaviors. It also minimizes the chances of your husband getting defensive. Hearing his side of things can also inspire you to find compromises. You get to decide what you are willing (and unwilling) to do to ease his anxiety while staying true to what you need from him. This could sound like: “I am happy to have a designated place for our shoes. In return, I would like us to agree that when it’s my turn to make dinner, I can do so in whatever ways I want.”

How is your husband’s micromanaging affecting how you show up in the relationship? Are you walking on eggshells around him? Or, do you find that you’re more emotionally disconnected because of his comments? You want to use “I” language to explicitly share how your husband’s behavior is affecting you. This may sound like, “I love you, but every time you critique my behavior, I feel belittled and undervalued.”

Also consider what you do need from him that isn’t just “stop micromanaging me.” For example, do you need more appreciation for what you contribute? Do you wish he asked more about how your day went with friends rather than solely harping on gas or how you parked? Getting clarity on what you’re not getting can help you approach your husband with tangible feedback around your needs to deepen the conversation — and your relationship.

Ultimately, your husband has to be willing to receive feedback, engage meaningfully in this conversation and take accountability for his role in all of this. If he doesn’t, you have to decide how — and if — you can take care of yourself and your mental health while still being in this relationship.

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[personal profile] movingfinger 2024-03-23 05:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Sahaj is waaaay out of the lane on this one!
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[personal profile] ambyr 2024-03-22 06:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh my God LW just leave.
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[personal profile] ioplokon 2024-03-22 07:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm so confused about how this guy does laundry... I know it's not the big point but... could they get a closed hamper so he can't see what's in it until laundry day?

eta: actually, I do think this may be generalizable advice. Like, until he can break the habit of criticizing LW's way of doing things, just don't watch. Don't watch them cook, brush teeth, etc. And see how everything is still fine.
Edited 2024-03-22 19:16 (UTC)
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[personal profile] oursin 2024-03-22 07:40 pm (UTC)(link)
that he can’t enjoy having an empty laundry basket for at least a week

This guy is seriously in need of A Life, if not having an empty laundry basket - surely something that is meant to go on being topped up until a load is ready! - makes him so mizzable, pore thing.
Edited (repetition) 2024-03-22 19:40 (UTC)
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[personal profile] dissectionist 2024-03-22 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
How does the columnist know that LW’s husband is simply trying to control how things are done rather than control her? Making an experience so miserable for someone else that it’s not worth doing can absolutely be used as a method of personal control. Forbidding someone from going out is direct, while harassing them after they return and ruining the experience is indirect, but both achieve the same goal if next time the target decides not to go out because they want to avoid a fight afterward with aggressor. There are many examples of this in the real world, such as people providing sex they’re not interested in because that’s easier than dealing with their partner’s constant sulking and moodiness when the partner isn’t having as much sex as desired, or (almost always) women ending up with a far greater share of the workload due to weaponized incompetence by their partners. Things don’t have to be direct and obvious in order to be about controlling others.
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[personal profile] cereta 2024-03-22 07:57 pm (UTC)(link)
He wants a week with no dirty clothes in the hamper? Where would he prefer they be, besides maybe somewhere that she's responsible for instead?
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[personal profile] melannen 2024-03-22 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
How many times do they wear the same underwear and socks???
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[personal profile] ethelmay 2024-03-22 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I would have thought that was the whole point of a hamper?! (This guy would hate my house. We drop laundry down the chute and it sits ON THE BASEMENT FLOOR. Which I could actually understand someone being bothered by.)
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[personal profile] full_metal_ox 2024-03-23 06:40 am (UTC)(link)
Am I the only one wondering what this guy’s relationship with his first wife was like?
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[personal profile] cimorene 2024-03-23 11:32 am (UTC)(link)
This advice is unfocused, but to be fair, I think it covered the important points: therapy and challenging the nitpicking calmly. It didn't lead with whole man disposal service, but to be fair LW didn't sound like she was willing to hear that anyway, and it is POSSIBLE that he can get better.
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[personal profile] castiron 2024-03-23 04:41 pm (UTC)(link)
A couple days ago Spouse was making a recipe that I make often. I walked by the kitchen and thought "why the heck is he using the giant stock pot and not one of the medium-sized pots?" And I kept my mouth shut, because Spouse is a perfectly competent cook and will clean the pot afterward, and if he can get good results then it doesn't matter that he was doing it differently than I would've.

If LW's husband is genuinely that picky about how things are done in his home, he needs to live alone. You can't live with someone without tolerating some amount of them doing things differently from how you'd do them; yes, there's a spectrum between "not how I'd do it but end result's still fine" and "your way leaves grease on the dishes/means the dog can get into the trash/results in flies/results in fires/causes Zuul to enter our dimension", but as long as they're on the "end result's still fine" end of the spectrum, you need to be able to let it go.
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[personal profile] castiron 2024-03-24 04:56 am (UTC)(link)
Zuul doesn't clean up the random foam they strew about.
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[personal profile] firecat 2024-03-23 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
My late outlaw husband was like her husband and I largely went along with it to keep the peace. Therefore when she mentioned that her husband wants to enjoy an empty hamper for a week, I thought automatically, “that’s easy, she can just get a pre-hamper and put it someplace he won’t notice it,” instead of “omg, ‘mind your own business’ is something even preschoolers can occasionally grasp, so surely your ‘older’ husband could have learned it by now” or “that’s easy, just go naked for a week and see how he likes that.”

I hope LW can get out before he wears her down to a nub.
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[personal profile] ethelmay 2024-03-24 12:15 am (UTC)(link)
It occurs to me that it's the husband who should be learning how to phrase things in "I" statements!
Edited 2024-03-25 04:36 (UTC)
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[personal profile] purlewe 2024-03-25 04:05 am (UTC)(link)
I have seen the cost of this type of life up close with my inlaws. It isn't a happy picture book ending. I want to tell her to run the other way. But if she wants to stay with him then I suggest counselling and a check with his doc to see if he is OCD. My fil is undiagnosed OCD. Now that he is very very ill, mil has to do all the hoops of all the things in the ways he would prefer them. Even if there are no real reasons for them other than him preferring things to be done that way. He spent so much of his life trying so very hard to control lots of inconsequential things, it feels like karma now that he has no control over them at all. The only thing he can do is rant and rave from his location in the house for things to be done his way. I do not recommend this. It makes my MIL miserable (she always just did things bc it made him happy, now she is doing things bc he is throwing toddler sized tantrums from another room).