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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2024-01-18 10:27 am

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Dear Amy: I was married to a wonderful woman for 30 years. We raised five children together and had our ups and downs, but overall I felt that we had a solid marriage.

After our youngest left the nest my wife, almost immediately, became a different person. I know she had a case of Empty Nest Syndrome. She befriended single women and started going out frequently. She lost interest in saving the marriage. This went on for four or five years, and then she decided that she didn’t want to be married anymore and got her own apartment, but we stayed friendly. I tried to make the transition as smooth as possible, but I’ll admit that I had an ulterior motive to reconcile.

During the eight years since, we’ve halfheartedly attempted numerous reconciliations, but it has never worked out. There has never been any abuse or infidelity. I’ve always felt we got along way too well to give up. The past few years she has been living with her elderly mother. We are in touch multiple times daily and spend time together. She continually says that when she is no longer required to aid her mother that we will spend more time working on reconciliation. That has all been fine with me.

Recently I ran into a friend, and she told me that she saw my ex at a social club with an elderly gentleman, which naturally got my attention. She said that they were clearly on a date and that my ex “was really dressed up and looked great.” My question for you is, is it time to give up? I’ve been avoiding her these past few days and I’m struggling with how to approach this.

— Dazed and Confused


Dazed: At this point, you and your ex-wife have been living apart for many years. My take on her behavior after the youngest moved out is that she was experiencing less “empty nest syndrome” (depression and searching for new ways to feel useful and worthy) and more a sense of liberation on her part. If she was a stay-at-home mother, she may have wanted to start this next phase of her life without the pressure of repairing a marriage she might have been holding together mainly “for the sake of the kids.” I think it’s now time for you to ponder building a quality life for yourself without reconciliation being at the center.

You and your ex are now friends. She is meeting and dating others, and if you want loving companionship at this stage of your life, you should try this, too. So, in short, yes, I do believe it is time for you to give up on this marriage in order to give yourself a fresh start.

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[personal profile] castiron 2024-01-18 05:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm trying to reconcile "she lost interest in saving the marriage" with "I felt we had a solid marriage". If LW had said "She lost interest in the marriage", that'd make sense, but "she lost interest in saving the marriage" makes me wonder if LW had been aware that she was unhappy for some time and didn't want to admit it since LW was perfectly content.

And LW, the time to give up was eight years ago.
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[personal profile] jamoche 2024-01-18 06:27 pm (UTC)(link)
"I felt we had a solid marriage" is often code for one person saying "I never heard any complaints" and the other saying "He never heard my complaints".
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[personal profile] castiron 2024-01-18 08:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep.
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[personal profile] mommy 2024-01-18 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah.
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[personal profile] cynthia1960 2024-01-18 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
+1000
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2024-01-19 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
Yup.
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[personal profile] ysobel 2024-01-19 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
There is a whole *genre* of reddit posts along the lines of "we had a fight but ever since then everything's been perfect ... then suddenly with no warning she's just gone!" Like this one from two days ago:

We've been together for 11 years, we had our problems but we always worked it out. Some months ago we had a huge fight about me never wanting to have intimacy and I ended up yelling to her that she was boring, not attractive and I didn't want to be with her. We had other fights about stuff she wasn't able to let go, but she went to sleep with me. We talked the next day and she was fine, she stopped fighting with me about stupid stuff and we were awesome, I've never been so happy with my relationship, she kept working and cleaning the house, and I thought she finally understood that I needed time alone, so she started letting me play my videogames without complaining and going out more with friends or to classes without me.I really thought we were doing better.

But yesterday I came home to find it empty of her stuff, she took everything, even her car and left me a note saying she was over me, that I could keep the money I owed her as a payment for she wasting my life and time, and that she's going to her mom's.

Idk what to do, I'm planning on going to see her and talk, so she can get back home with me. I need advice, what can I tell her?


It's amazing how much "giving up and quietly making exit plans" looks on the surface like the no-friction ideal relationship these oblivious walnuts think they want.
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[personal profile] ysobel 2024-01-19 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
One hopes.
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2024-01-22 01:28 am (UTC)(link)

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[personal profile] cimorene 2024-01-18 07:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, that's exactly what stuck out to me. I'm guessing there were plenty of complaints but they were basically all hers and he doesn't therefore regard them as valid. He was expecting her to just stop complaining and go back to how he was perfectly happy with things, essentially without him having to do anything other than maybe talk about it.
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[personal profile] neotoma 2024-01-18 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Their youngest left home and "She lost interest in saving the marriage"; there is something missing here, and that is that the marriage in danger even before your kids grew up?!

There is a big hole in the middle of this story, and I suspect it this is why they are divorced. Fairly amibaly, but definitely divorced and have been for several years.

Time to move on, LW
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[personal profile] cynthia1960 2024-01-18 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
This too; we're only hearing one side of the story.
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[personal profile] full_metal_ox 2024-01-18 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Dolly Parton’s $0.02, by way of Emmylou Harris:

Mama never seemed to miss the finer things in life
If she did, she never did say so to daddy
She never wanted to be more than mother and a wife
If she did, she never did say so to daddy

The only thing that seemed to be important in her life
Was to make our house a home and make us happy
Mama never wanted any more than what she had
If she did, she never did say so to daddy

He often left her all alone, cheated ma' into staying home
If she did, she never did say so to daddy
And she never missed the flowers and the cards
He never sent her, if she did, she never did say so to daddy

Being took for granted was a thing that she accepted
And she didn't need those things to make her happy
And she didn't seem to notice that he didn't kiss and hold her
If she did, she never did say so to daddy

One morning we awoke
Just to find a note mama carefully wrote and left for daddy
And as he began to read it, our ears could not believe it
Words she had written there to daddy

She said, "The kids were older now, they don't need me anymore
I've gone to search for love I need so badly
I needed you so long, but I just can't keep holding on"
She never meant to come back home, if she did, she never did say so to daddy

Goodbye to daddy
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[personal profile] feldman 2024-01-18 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Dolly Parton is such a profoundly powerful (murder-)balladeer and Emmylou brings it on home.
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[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2024-01-19 02:59 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, maybe you or someone else can help me with this: there's a very similar song, and I can't remember the name or artist, and it's been driving me crazy.

It's basically about 50% and how what a man thinks an equal partnership involves massive sacrifices on the woman's part. There's something about "isn't it sad that all our mothers had to give up their dreams" "not mine!" "yes yours" and it ends with the singer listing all the sacrifices she *won't* make and saying sth along the lines of, "Sorry, I'm not a good enough person to be a woman; I only know how to be a man," i.e., it's going to be *actually* 50-50.

Anyone know this song?
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[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2024-01-19 01:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you!
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[personal profile] haggis 2024-01-19 08:38 am (UTC)(link)
Garfunkel and Oates, 50/50?

I definitely like this bit
"Can we stop pretending
That it isn’t kind of sad
That your mom never pursued anything
With the same intensity as your dad"
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[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2024-01-19 01:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you!
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[personal profile] taimatsu 2024-01-22 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)
In this genre I’d like to recommend “He Thinks He’ll Keep Her” sung by Mary Chapin Carpenter (Wikipedia page), and “Whatever You Want” by Vienna Teng (lyrics, video with the song as presented in her album).
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[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2024-01-23 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
The first one has been one of my favorites for decades! The second one I will have to check out.
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[personal profile] taimatsu 2024-01-23 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you! I was trying to type “casual html” on a phone keyboard while copying links from other tabs and… did it all very badly!
Edited 2024-01-23 00:47 (UTC)
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[personal profile] julian 2024-01-19 04:23 am (UTC)(link)
"...almost immediately, became a different person. I know she had a case of Empty Nest Syndrome. She befriended single women and started going out frequently. She lost interest in saving the marriage."

Befriended single women.

Gosh!

If this was 20 years ago, I'd interpret that as, "Came out to herself and ditched TMF," and I still might, for that matter.
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[personal profile] full_metal_ox 2024-01-19 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Whatever the lady’s sexual orientation might turn out to be, could part of her choice of new friends be that her prior social circles were set up around the assumption of neat Noah’s Ark pairs, and shut her out once she ceased to be part of a couple? As if divorce or widowhood were somehow contagious diseases?

(As in this scenario.)
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[personal profile] p_cocincinus 2024-01-23 06:08 am (UTC)(link)
Also possible that she suddenly felt comfortable making friends with people who didn't have partners for her husband to do activities with, because that strikes me as the kind of thing that this poor woman was probably doing for her entire marriage.