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minoanmiss ([personal profile] minoanmiss) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2022-02-21 12:51 pm

Dear Care & Feeding: My Teen self-diagnosed off of TikTok



Dear Care and Feeding,

My teen is 15 and addicted to TikTok. She used to be much more well adjusted, but once lockdown happened and she was isolated from all of her friends, she became depressed and turned to social media, especially TikTok, to keep her entertained during the boredom and stress of lockdown. Unfortunately, she recently “came out” to us as having dissociative identity disorder. She told us that after she watched some TikTok videos of people who have it, she discovered her own “alter personalities.” From what I understand, this disorder comes from severe childhood abuse, which isn’t true! She had a good childhood, she was always happy and cheerful. She now wants to see a therapist so she can get diagnosed, and looking through her phone, I discovered she has already made a few videos about having DID. I forced her to delete the videos, which was very upsetting to her, and now she is upset that I’m not “validating” her. What do I do? Do I take her to see a therapist, do I call her out on it, or do I just play along?


—Confused and Frustrated


Dear Confused and Frustrated,

TikTok diagnoses are a thing, unfortunately, and it’s not terribly hard to imagine how a young person could get caught up in the idea of having an illness, especially if she is able to see some of her experiences in the stories of people who do have it (or, this being TikTok, people who may believe they have these illnesses regardless of actual diagnosis). I don’t want to completely disregard the possibility that something is going on with your daughter emotionally; while it’s highly likely here that she’s glommed on to the idea of something that isn’t her struggle to bear, she may have made this connection for some valid reasons. As you said, she’s been depressed and isolated from friends. That’s reason enough to seek out therapy services, and while you’re likely to find that she doesn’t have DID, it certainly sounds as though she could benefit from the support of a professional while trying to grapple with the circumstances of the last two years, as well as her feelings regarding what she’s learned online and how she’s processed them thus far. In the meantime, resist disparaging her self-diagnosis and instead focus on letting her know that you are invested in supporting her through anything, that you want to ensure she has the best available resources, and that her health and happiness are both top priorities to you. A therapist can lead the work of divesting from the self-proclaimed DID if necessary; focus on making her feel supported instead.
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[personal profile] resonant 2022-02-21 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, NO.

Child has asked for a therapist; get her a therapist. That's an easy one.

Parent (1) thinks they have the right to dictate what child puts on TikTok, and (2) hear's child's self-diagnosis and thinks, "Oh, this cannot stand; this is All About Me." Get parent a therapist and some parenting classes.
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[personal profile] cereta 2022-02-21 07:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree with almost everything you say here, and really disliked the way both the LW and the columnist spoke about, well, everything, I am just going to say that, as the mother of a girl that same age, yeah, I kinda do have the right to dictate what my kid puts on the internet. I exercise that right judiciously, but there are definitely things she knows not just that she shouldn't post, but that her father and I would make her take down if she posted.
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[personal profile] cimorene 2022-02-21 07:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I think it is very important for a parent to make sure kids and teens aren't unknowingly endangering themselves or other people when they use the internet.

OTOH, that definitely doesn't encompass censoring confessional-style videos on the basis that the parent thinks they are deluded or inaccurate, even if the odds overwhelmingly are that they are inaccurate. If these videos made the parent worry about doxing or future identification of their child that could harm their employment prospects or whatever, that's another issue (and not that unlikely I guess, but I don't know enough about TikTok to judge).


Regardless, even if the parent's real reason was a poorly-expressed fear that the video would harm their child or others now or in the future, the way they're talking about what they did in this letter is giving a very negative impression of their motivations and actions.
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[personal profile] cereta 2022-02-21 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I agree that LW is going about everything all wrong.
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[personal profile] castiron 2022-02-21 10:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm. I'm uncomfortable with allowing my minor child to add to the stew of disinformation on the internet, and to me saying "I have this condition and even though I've never been diagnosed I know I have it because of videos I've watched" falls into that. (That said, if my child was saying "I don't know if I have X, but I share these traits of X, and here's how these coping strategies have worked for me", I'd probably be okay with that.)

But yes, if my child is self-diagnosing with some Brain Thing, if I can at all manage it I should get them to an actual brain wrangler; my teen is not qualified to diagnose a Brain Thing, but they're 100% qualified to say "hey, something's going on in my head that doesn't seem right".
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[personal profile] cereta 2022-02-21 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Re your last paragraph: I mean, I was an unabashed attention-seeker at 15. I told lies to make myself sound cooler, I nearly gave myself an ulcer overachieving, I mouthed off, I cried at the drop of a hat...all because I wanted attention. You know what I needed? Some fucking attention, specifically professional attention, that could have helped me understand what was going on (long story short: my dad had died, and I was the least squeaky of four wheels, who was getting way too much pressure and way too little support).

If all, all that's going on is that LW's kid is looking for attention and belonging, a therapist can help her sort that out. Just...this is the easy part, you know?
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[personal profile] cimorene 2022-02-22 11:35 am (UTC)(link)
Well put.
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[personal profile] resonant 2022-02-21 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Granted my kid's 23 now and I may be a bit out of touch.
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[personal profile] cereta 2022-02-21 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Heee. Yeah, it's just been an...interesting few years, trying to balance my very creative kid's desire to be a YouTube/TikTok star (thankfully no longer a thing) with my own decades of experience online. And that's not even bringing up her father's opinions.
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[personal profile] cimorene 2022-02-21 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
It's almost laughable that someone could have made it through parenting to the teenage years and still think that telling a child they're wrong and trying to forbid them from interacting with the new group would actually work.

And they clearly realize from the letter that the kid's reaction to this identity is, itself, a problem, and a sign of underlying struggles, but they aren't able to make the tremendous leap from there to the idea of a therapist, even though the kid brought it up?!

It kind of sounds like this parent is one of those people who doesn't really "believe in" therapy, but it's been a whole generation since I dealt with that problem in my parents; it seems a lot less likely today.
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[personal profile] lilysea 2022-02-22 04:31 am (UTC)(link)
It kind of sounds like this parent is one of those people who doesn't really "believe in" therapy, but it's been a whole generation since I dealt with that problem in my parents; it seems a lot less likely today.

It depends on the parents background - I read a blog post on a feminist/antiracist blog in 2010 by two Asian women in their mid-to-late-twenties talking about how their parents were deeply anti-therapy, and how this was still unfortunately common for many Asian parents in 2010.
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[personal profile] cimorene 2022-02-22 11:35 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, interesting. Yeah, maybe that is what's going on.
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[personal profile] melannen 2022-02-22 04:21 pm (UTC)(link)
There's also a tendency for white parents I have known, at least, to be theoretically fine with therapy, but their kid is a perfect little angel who couldn't possibly bring shame on the family by needing it.
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[personal profile] xenacryst 2022-02-21 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
People who stand on the top of the mountain and proclaim loudly and with great certainty that their child had a good and happy childhood usually don't know the half of it, in my experience. In any case, I'm on team Get The Child The Therapist They Asked For.
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[personal profile] ashbet 2022-02-21 11:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Thirded. Therapist, now, for the child’s needs, not the parent’s ego.
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[personal profile] melannen 2022-02-22 04:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah.

I am dubious of a lot of the literature about DID, but many of the classic cases were kids who were apparently severely abused in ways their parents never knew about, so even the parents haven't witnessed or been involved in serious abuse, that's not really an answer.
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2022-02-21 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
So I was usually a happy kid at home. I got sent to school. At school, I was extremely overwhelmed, scared of everything, always the odd kid out, wouldn't be diagnosed with nearsightedness until about a year and a half later, and addressed by my legal name instead of the nickname that everyone at home used unless I was in deep, deep trouble (and sometimes in danger of being beaten).

I dissociated like hell.

Did it rise to the level of full-blown DID? I have no idea, but my main means of dealing with the depression that hit me like a bowling ball to the stomach when my hormones fucked me up and gave me menstruation was that one of me kept the worst of the symptoms from the rest of me, and when I was in my early 20s I got basically roommates counseling between various aspects.

Kid needs a therapist yesterday.
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[personal profile] ioplokon 2022-02-22 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah I think 1 therapy & 2 listen and empathize about symptoms (& maybe check your carbon monoxide detector works if she's having memory issues? Though I imagine if you go to the primary physician for a referral, they'll want to do a blood panel).


(I don't think it's generally in kids' best interest to have videos/photos online but I understand I am very square & also this is why I'm not a parent; certainly I engaged in online behavior as a teen that would have horrified my parents... Though I'm also grateful it's not tied to my face/name because, of course, it was super cringey)
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[personal profile] blueinkedfrost 2022-02-22 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
Therapy is the best option, especially since the child is asking for it. It sounds like the parent might need to focus more on giving love and acceptance than forcing them to delete content the parent doesn't like.

How is one to deal with strange things on the internet? Dissociative identity disorder among social media users at scepticism-inducing proportions, being 'kin' to a fictional character and feel you really are the character, believing you're the reincarnation of a historical figure, being 'otherkin' and identifying as an animal ... My preferred approach is to treat people with respect and honour reasonable requests. If someone has a strong belief that seems mildly silly to you (and examples of 'belief that can seem a bit silly' include most religions), the point to address it with them is either when they ask for your thoughts or if the belief causes them to behave in a way that hurts or seriously inconveniences you.
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[personal profile] torachan 2022-02-22 07:09 am (UTC)(link)
100% guaranteed the kid thinks they're kin with anime characters. This is not a real thing.

By which I mean, if you're not familiar with the phenomenon, it is indeed very popular with kids on the internet these days to claim that they are literally multiple fictional characters and that this is DID. It's mainly used to harass other people online for shipping the wrong things or not liking their favorite character. I feel sorry for their parents if they try to take it out of online spaces. They're just dumb kids and should not be taken seriously.
Edited 2022-02-22 07:13 (UTC)
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[personal profile] melannen 2022-02-22 04:28 pm (UTC)(link)
This.

In my day they would have just outright said they were channeling a fictional character or married to Snape on astral plane, but parts of tiktok in particular have learned to coopt the language of psychology and disability for this kind of thing.

But most of the people who think they're kin with anime characters to the extent they're falling into those communities need a therapist anyway, so: this kid wants a therapist, get them one if you can. And also get them enough training on internet safety to make sure they aren't falling into something dangerously cultlike online, although hopefully a good therapist will be able to help with that too.