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minoanmiss ([personal profile] minoanmiss) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2021-02-03 11:02 am

Dear Care & Feeding: My Teen Is Writing Erotic Fan Fiction. Should I Make Them Stop?

I snooped and discovered much more than I bargained for …



My 16-year-old is basically writing porn. For context, they’re a relatively smart, compassionate teenager and they love to write—and OK, I was snooping and I shouldn’t have been, but they’ve also been diagnosed with depression, and throughout quarantine it’s felt like they’ve been hiding something from me and, fearing the worst, I looked at their iPad while they were taking a shower and found it open to a page of drafts to some site. I haven’t realized until now that they’ve gotten into writing fan fiction, specifically on one particular, popular website, for multiple fandoms, and some of what they write is … fine. Has some swearing I don’t like them using, but I get that it’s a creative outlet for them—some of them might actually be good if I understood the fandoms and such.

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But then I found some other fan fiction they’ve also written, and it’s very … mature. And adult. I don’t know where they learned half of this stuff—it feels like a year ago they didn’t even know what a condom was, and now they’re writing explicit and age-inappropriate fan fiction.

Do I give them “the talk”? Ground them? Take away their iPad so they can’t write? Tell them that I’m OK with their creativity, but this is inappropriate and it needs to stop? I’m reluctant to do anything because I know I was in the wrong for snooping, but now I feel like I have to do something.

—They Didn’t Learn This in ELA


Dear ELA,

No. You do not have to do anything. I promise you that nothing has ever needed to be done less. On your list of Things Not to Do, add “confronting my 16-year-old about their fan fiction,” and look at it often should you need a reminder.


[moves aside so as not to be crushed by stampeding hordes of teens now rushing to change their AO3 usernames just in case you are their parent]

Please don’t ground your kid over this, and don’t try to forbid them from writing, either. There’s a pandemic and they’re depressed, but even if these things weren’t true, writing fan fic is obviously an important and needed outlet for them, and is likely providing some form of community as well. They aren’t doing anything wrong. We are all of us, at any/every age, entitled to hobbies and fandom and fantasies and a rich and private inner life. I read so much fan fiction and so many of my grandmother’s romance novels when I was younger than your kid (which everyone in my family graciously pretended not to notice). They are 16—they could be having sex by now, never mind reading and writing about it.

You can certainly talk with them about sex and intimacy, bodily autonomy, internet safety and the importance of maintaining their privacy online, etc. But I just don’t see any good reason to subject them to a conversation about the fact that you read their rated-E fan fic. And I can only imagine the mortification and anger they’d feel if they knew that you’d snooped on their device and found their stories. Your 16-year-old still thinks their fan fiction writing hobby is a secret (which they must want it to be, for now—at least secret from you, or they’d have told you!), and maybe they also still think they can trust you. If I were you, I would not want to disabuse them of either belief. Stop creeping on their iPad. Don’t read any more of their stories. Let your teen live—and have their erotic fan fiction too.
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[personal profile] bikergeek 2021-02-03 04:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Jeez, at her age she'd have free run of the local public library. D.H. Lawrence, Henry Miller, Anaïs Nin, Fanny Hill, Catullus 16 (if she reads Latin), you name it.
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[personal profile] cereta 2021-02-03 04:54 pm (UTC)(link)
This has been my argument about fan fiction for a loooooooong time. These kids we worry so much about can walk into a Barnes and Noble and buy a Jude Deveraux novel with zero restrictions.

(Funny story: I checked It out of the library when I was 17. They made my mom approve it. She just rolled her eyes and told them that I was allowed to check out anything I wanted.)
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[personal profile] bikergeek 2021-02-03 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
The library wanted your mom's approval for *Stephen King* at *17*? Oh FFS. At that age you could have gone to an R-rated movie by yourself.
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[personal profile] cereta 2021-02-03 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I suspect someone told him about the preteen gang bang.
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[personal profile] beable 2021-02-04 02:24 am (UTC)(link)

I still remember being part of the gaggle of 7th grade girls reading first Judy Blume's Forever and then some of the naughtier bits of The Happy Hooker (I don't remember how we had a copy of that, via someone's older sister, presumably) at recess.

While we certainly hid what we were reading aloud from the teachers, I highly doubt this "literary" exploration did any of us any harm.

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[personal profile] green_grrl 2021-02-04 05:22 am (UTC)(link)
Seriously. From Judy Blume to Judith Krantz to VC Andrews to The Happy Hooker, plus stacks of Playboys—I’d read A TON of “inappropriate” things way, way before 16. And this was long before the internet.

Heck, LW doesn’t say the erotic bits are implausible/wrong/concerning to her judgmental eye, which means she got way luckier on an AO3 read than many. :D Kid will be just fine. She’ll continue to pretend you and her father never had/have sex and you pretend she doesn’t write smut.
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[personal profile] likeaduck 2021-02-06 03:15 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, this. (I also quickly adapted to the fact that the restrictions on what I could check out only kicked in when I tried to check them out--nobody was watching what I read while still physically in the library.)
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[personal profile] cereta 2021-02-03 04:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, God, I watched my sister do this with my niece (after asking pointedly how she "found" Twilight fan fiction, which made me laugh for a solid minute before pointing out that fanfic has gone mainstream, and sister was the one who was out of step). I begged and pleaded with her to leave it alone, assuring her that niece was no more likely to run into sexual predators (and actually, less likely) among people who write Twilight fanfic than she would anywhere else. I don't know how it turned out, but given my sister's general proclivities, I suspect not well.
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[personal profile] watersword 2021-02-03 04:40 pm (UTC)(link)
This is the cheap version of "fuck around, find out."
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[personal profile] sporky_rat 2021-02-03 04:41 pm (UTC)(link)

At most, I'd remind the LW's kid to keep 'internet safe' if I'd noticed them being on it a lot.

Other than that, unless they're actively harming someone, leave 'em alone, LW.

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[personal profile] likeaduck 2021-02-03 04:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I too am picturing the stampede. Gosh, being a teen is stressful and embarrassing.

Sometimes family means politely pretending not to notice the porn.
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[personal profile] likeaduck 2021-02-04 04:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Also...this is not snooping because you were really scared and not your best self and stopping once the thing you found wasn't a life or death issue. This is reading MULTIPLE stories, enough to know which ones have swearing you don't approve of and which ones contain explicit sex? How long was this shower? This is the LW going into the ipad during the shower, taking note of the kid's username, and looking up their entire oeuvre later on their own device. This is entitled, determined snooping.
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[personal profile] xenacryst 2021-02-03 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA SNOOORFLE WHEEEZE HAHAHA


And this is where I point out that if I had had the internet and fan fic when I was that age, I'd be a better writer now. Instead I had my own fevered imagination that I dared show to my orchestra director and it somehow didn't get me kicked out of school (she was an odd soul who smiled and nodded sagely and didn't say anything to anyone about it).
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[personal profile] semperfiona 2021-02-03 05:48 pm (UTC)(link)
My kid and I both read and occasionally write fanfic. We both know this, and we also VERY CAREFULLY DO NOT go to each other's profiles, even though we know what they are, and only occasionally share specific recs.

This has been the case for many years, she's an adult now, and we STILL don't want to know that much detail about what each other are into. Fandom, sure. Pairing, maybe. Kinks? FUCK NO.
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[personal profile] laurajv 2021-02-03 05:54 pm (UTC)(link)
"Do I give them “the talk”?"

LW they're 16 you should have given them the talk a long, long, long time ago.
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[personal profile] heavenscalyx 2021-02-03 06:43 pm (UTC)(link)
RIGHT?
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[personal profile] melannen 2021-02-03 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, the appropriate response here is to go 'Oh no, they grew up while I was busy with other stuff! What do I need to teach them about that I haven't?" and give them any part of the safe sex, consent, internet safety, ykinmkato, and how to get help with bad relationships talk that you missed till now.

(It's okay if it's awkward as long as it's kind, if you hit the awkwardness perigee in a conversation you initiate it'll make any conversations they need to initiate with you later seem easy in comparison.)
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[personal profile] cereta 2021-02-03 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I had a moment when LW talked about the kid not knowing what a condom was.
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[personal profile] bikergeek 2021-02-04 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
I was just guessing the kid was pretending not to know, in order to avoid a conversation with Mom that she found cringe-y. Even if the parents did their best to encourage an open environment for discussion of such things, the embarrassment factor when you're that age is pretty huge.
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[personal profile] mommy 2021-02-03 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, this!
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[personal profile] conuly 2021-02-03 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it's very good that LW's child is writing explicit fanfic if LW apparently hasn't spoken to them about sex yet at the age of 16. Here's hoping somebody has linked that kid to Scarelteen.
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[personal profile] jadelennox 2021-02-03 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)
100% on Scarleteen! I found myself thinking, okay, what if LW found the 16 year old writing very hard kink, the kind that's unhealthy in real life (but obviously fine in fiction).

(Side note: I read the Story of O at 16 with an adult's approval, and the adult in question was exceedingly wrong, I can see in retrospect. It was not a teachable moment about, "hey, cool, you're reading that, let's talk about erotica vs. reality, and healthy vs. unhealthy kink". It was just, "hey, cool, I'm a cool adult, that's so cool, I can be cool with you reading my copy of a classic work of sexual slavery that ends in the suicide of the sub!")

I feel like I could see a place where the LW, while not even mentioning that they saw the fic, could want to talk to the kid about safety or consent or teen-appropriate kink. I have for years wish that conversation had been had with me, to be honest. Adults in my life were either teen-sex-negative (my parents) or teen-sex positive (the parents of my male friends) and nobody ever helped me negotiate the difference between consent in fiction (1980s mass market romance) and consent in real life. And the lessons I absorbed from consent in fiction were fucked up. If the kid is writing, say, a/b/o, I could see a parent wanting to figure out how to broach the difference between how complete lack of ability to consent with the right partner can be sexy as a fantasy, but is not something a 16 year old should actually be trying.

But realistically, Scarleteen is going to do a much better job with that education than this LW will.
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[personal profile] green_grrl 2021-02-04 05:29 am (UTC)(link)
LW was so freaked out in general, I feel like she would have mentioned specifically if the writing contained inaccurate or concerning sex. Since she didn’t, I’m assuming the sex scenes seem safe, sane, and consensual so, as Dan Savage would say, “Yatzhee!”

(I mean, we know that tropes and writing as an outlet =/= real life, but that seems like a discussion over this LW’s ability to grok at the moment.)
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[personal profile] ashbet 2021-02-04 10:16 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, please, get this kid to Scarleteen — I do NOT trust this parent to give frank, accurate, affirming, consent/pleasure-centric advice about sex and healthy relationships!!

(Also, parents who snoop on their kids are the goddamn worst — I understand having a bad feeling and checking for suicidal ideation, but once you saw that your kid was writing personal, private fiction, CLOSE THE FILE AND STOP READING. Everyone deserves the privacy of their own thoughts and feelings, and the right to anonymity if they want to share with like-minded people.)

(I sent my tween to Scarleteen, and also had multiple, open-ended conversations about books we read, current events, things going on in friends’ lives, etc., to have “the talk” as a gradual thing. Also, ironically, we’re both into advice columns, which provided great discussion fodder!!)
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[personal profile] lemonsharks 2021-02-05 03:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Man, in addition to the fuckedupedness of the story of O, de Sade didn’t even write *quality porn*.

It’s repetitive and flowery in all the worst ways.
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[personal profile] heavenscalyx 2021-02-03 11:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I hope child has some friends. Because this happened with a kid I know -- I think all us age-peers of the parents thought "They're liberal! They're open! Surely they've been giving kid the Talk all along like any of us would!" And no, actually, the parents dealt with kid's teen years awfully. Fortunately kid had an older half-sibling they confided in who knew enough to give kid appropriate information, but not until after kid had been having incredibly risky sex starting quite young with much older individuals. :(
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[personal profile] naath 2021-02-03 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I just, uh, someone needs to make sure that kid gets real sex ed someplace, parents are apparently not providing, and you ... maybe do not need to take sex tips from fanfic. Horrifying fanfiction lube is a thing, but it's not fun in real life.

But also, do not read your kid's smut, that way lies cringe, and you do not need that and neither does she. Certainly do not bring it up. CRINGE.
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[personal profile] katiedid717 2021-02-03 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)
When I was 18-20 and my dad would internet creep on me, he found my fanfic. I found out this summer at age 35 when I found some of it saved on his work computer (he passed away in July and we worked together). Now I understand why he kept asking me if I was sure I didn't want to take creative writing classes 15 years ago.
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[personal profile] starfleetbrat 2021-02-04 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
"and throughout quarantine it’s felt like they’ve been hiding something from me"

Dear LW, If you feel like your child is hiding something from you, have a conversation with them. Don't snoop. Let them know they can talk to you about anything (assuming they can, don't promise that if they cannot). Because, it may not be the fanfic they are hiding. It may not be just the pandemic that is causing depression.

Hopefully the LW has organised some professional counselling for their child as well. For the depression, not for the fanfic.