minoanmiss (
minoanmiss) wrote in
agonyaunt2021-02-03 11:02 am
![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
![[community profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/community.png)
Entry tags:
Dear Care & Feeding: My Teen Is Writing Erotic Fan Fiction. Should I Make Them Stop?
I snooped and discovered much more than I bargained for …
My 16-year-old is basically writing porn. For context, they’re a relatively smart, compassionate teenager and they love to write—and OK, I was snooping and I shouldn’t have been, but they’ve also been diagnosed with depression, and throughout quarantine it’s felt like they’ve been hiding something from me and, fearing the worst, I looked at their iPad while they were taking a shower and found it open to a page of drafts to some site. I haven’t realized until now that they’ve gotten into writing fan fiction, specifically on one particular, popular website, for multiple fandoms, and some of what they write is … fine. Has some swearing I don’t like them using, but I get that it’s a creative outlet for them—some of them might actually be good if I understood the fandoms and such.
ADVERTISEMENT
But then I found some other fan fiction they’ve also written, and it’s very … mature. And adult. I don’t know where they learned half of this stuff—it feels like a year ago they didn’t even know what a condom was, and now they’re writing explicit and age-inappropriate fan fiction.
Do I give them “the talk”? Ground them? Take away their iPad so they can’t write? Tell them that I’m OK with their creativity, but this is inappropriate and it needs to stop? I’m reluctant to do anything because I know I was in the wrong for snooping, but now I feel like I have to do something.
—They Didn’t Learn This in ELA
Dear ELA,
No. You do not have to do anything. I promise you that nothing has ever needed to be done less. On your list of Things Not to Do, add “confronting my 16-year-old about their fan fiction,” and look at it often should you need a reminder.
[moves aside so as not to be crushed by stampeding hordes of teens now rushing to change their AO3 usernames just in case you are their parent]
Please don’t ground your kid over this, and don’t try to forbid them from writing, either. There’s a pandemic and they’re depressed, but even if these things weren’t true, writing fan fic is obviously an important and needed outlet for them, and is likely providing some form of community as well. They aren’t doing anything wrong. We are all of us, at any/every age, entitled to hobbies and fandom and fantasies and a rich and private inner life. I read so much fan fiction and so many of my grandmother’s romance novels when I was younger than your kid (which everyone in my family graciously pretended not to notice). They are 16—they could be having sex by now, never mind reading and writing about it.
You can certainly talk with them about sex and intimacy, bodily autonomy, internet safety and the importance of maintaining their privacy online, etc. But I just don’t see any good reason to subject them to a conversation about the fact that you read their rated-E fan fic. And I can only imagine the mortification and anger they’d feel if they knew that you’d snooped on their device and found their stories. Your 16-year-old still thinks their fan fiction writing hobby is a secret (which they must want it to be, for now—at least secret from you, or they’d have told you!), and maybe they also still think they can trust you. If I were you, I would not want to disabuse them of either belief. Stop creeping on their iPad. Don’t read any more of their stories. Let your teen live—and have their erotic fan fiction too.
My 16-year-old is basically writing porn. For context, they’re a relatively smart, compassionate teenager and they love to write—and OK, I was snooping and I shouldn’t have been, but they’ve also been diagnosed with depression, and throughout quarantine it’s felt like they’ve been hiding something from me and, fearing the worst, I looked at their iPad while they were taking a shower and found it open to a page of drafts to some site. I haven’t realized until now that they’ve gotten into writing fan fiction, specifically on one particular, popular website, for multiple fandoms, and some of what they write is … fine. Has some swearing I don’t like them using, but I get that it’s a creative outlet for them—some of them might actually be good if I understood the fandoms and such.
ADVERTISEMENT
But then I found some other fan fiction they’ve also written, and it’s very … mature. And adult. I don’t know where they learned half of this stuff—it feels like a year ago they didn’t even know what a condom was, and now they’re writing explicit and age-inappropriate fan fiction.
Do I give them “the talk”? Ground them? Take away their iPad so they can’t write? Tell them that I’m OK with their creativity, but this is inappropriate and it needs to stop? I’m reluctant to do anything because I know I was in the wrong for snooping, but now I feel like I have to do something.
—They Didn’t Learn This in ELA
Dear ELA,
No. You do not have to do anything. I promise you that nothing has ever needed to be done less. On your list of Things Not to Do, add “confronting my 16-year-old about their fan fiction,” and look at it often should you need a reminder.
[moves aside so as not to be crushed by stampeding hordes of teens now rushing to change their AO3 usernames just in case you are their parent]
Please don’t ground your kid over this, and don’t try to forbid them from writing, either. There’s a pandemic and they’re depressed, but even if these things weren’t true, writing fan fic is obviously an important and needed outlet for them, and is likely providing some form of community as well. They aren’t doing anything wrong. We are all of us, at any/every age, entitled to hobbies and fandom and fantasies and a rich and private inner life. I read so much fan fiction and so many of my grandmother’s romance novels when I was younger than your kid (which everyone in my family graciously pretended not to notice). They are 16—they could be having sex by now, never mind reading and writing about it.
You can certainly talk with them about sex and intimacy, bodily autonomy, internet safety and the importance of maintaining their privacy online, etc. But I just don’t see any good reason to subject them to a conversation about the fact that you read their rated-E fan fic. And I can only imagine the mortification and anger they’d feel if they knew that you’d snooped on their device and found their stories. Your 16-year-old still thinks their fan fiction writing hobby is a secret (which they must want it to be, for now—at least secret from you, or they’d have told you!), and maybe they also still think they can trust you. If I were you, I would not want to disabuse them of either belief. Stop creeping on their iPad. Don’t read any more of their stories. Let your teen live—and have their erotic fan fiction too.
no subject
I really like this advice, but I wish I could ask the LW a few things.
1) What is inappropriate here? That a teenager thinks about sex? That they write their thoughts down?
2) What will punishing the kid accomplish? That they stop thinking about sex? That they gain more trust in you? (ahahaha)
3) Maybe instead of snooping keep cultivating a relationship with your child where you know they will come to you with actual problems? ok that last isn't a real question.
no subject
no subject
(Funny story: I checked It out of the library when I was 17. They made my mom approve it. She just rolled her eyes and told them that I was allowed to check out anything I wanted.)
no subject
no subject
no subject
I still remember being part of the gaggle of 7th grade girls reading first Judy Blume's Forever and then some of the naughtier bits of The Happy Hooker (I don't remember how we had a copy of that, via someone's older sister, presumably) at recess.
While we certainly hid what we were reading aloud from the teachers, I highly doubt this "literary" exploration did any of us any harm.
no subject
Heck, LW doesn’t say the erotic bits are implausible/wrong/concerning to her judgmental eye, which means she got way luckier on an AO3 read than many. :D Kid will be just fine. She’ll continue to pretend you and her father never had/have sex and you pretend she doesn’t write smut.
no subject
no subject
no subject
no subject
no subject
At most, I'd remind the LW's kid to keep 'internet safe' if I'd noticed them being on it a lot.
Other than that, unless they're actively harming someone, leave 'em alone, LW.
no subject
Sometimes family means politely pretending not to notice the porn.
no subject
no subject
And this is where I point out that if I had had the internet and fan fic when I was that age, I'd be a better writer now. Instead I had my own fevered imagination that I dared show to my orchestra director and it somehow didn't get me kicked out of school (she was an odd soul who smiled and nodded sagely and didn't say anything to anyone about it).
no subject
This has been the case for many years, she's an adult now, and we STILL don't want to know that much detail about what each other are into. Fandom, sure. Pairing, maybe. Kinks? FUCK NO.
no subject
LW they're 16 you should have given them the talk a long, long, long time ago.
no subject
no subject
(It's okay if it's awkward as long as it's kind, if you hit the awkwardness perigee in a conversation you initiate it'll make any conversations they need to initiate with you later seem easy in comparison.)
no subject
no subject
no subject
no subject
no subject
(Side note: I read the Story of O at 16 with an adult's approval, and the adult in question was exceedingly wrong, I can see in retrospect. It was not a teachable moment about, "hey, cool, you're reading that, let's talk about erotica vs. reality, and healthy vs. unhealthy kink". It was just, "hey, cool, I'm a cool adult, that's so cool, I can be cool with you reading my copy of a classic work of sexual slavery that ends in the suicide of the sub!")
I feel like I could see a place where the LW, while not even mentioning that they saw the fic, could want to talk to the kid about safety or consent or teen-appropriate kink. I have for years wish that conversation had been had with me, to be honest. Adults in my life were either teen-sex-negative (my parents) or teen-sex positive (the parents of my male friends) and nobody ever helped me negotiate the difference between consent in fiction (1980s mass market romance) and consent in real life. And the lessons I absorbed from consent in fiction were fucked up. If the kid is writing, say, a/b/o, I could see a parent wanting to figure out how to broach the difference between how complete lack of ability to consent with the right partner can be sexy as a fantasy, but is not something a 16 year old should actually be trying.
But realistically, Scarleteen is going to do a much better job with that education than this LW will.
no subject
(I mean, we know that tropes and writing as an outlet =/= real life, but that seems like a discussion over this LW’s ability to grok at the moment.)
no subject
(Also, parents who snoop on their kids are the goddamn worst — I understand having a bad feeling and checking for suicidal ideation, but once you saw that your kid was writing personal, private fiction, CLOSE THE FILE AND STOP READING. Everyone deserves the privacy of their own thoughts and feelings, and the right to anonymity if they want to share with like-minded people.)
(I sent my tween to Scarleteen, and also had multiple, open-ended conversations about books we read, current events, things going on in friends’ lives, etc., to have “the talk” as a gradual thing. Also, ironically, we’re both into advice columns, which provided great discussion fodder!!)
no subject
It’s repetitive and flowery in all the worst ways.
no subject
no subject
But also, do not read your kid's smut, that way lies cringe, and you do not need that and neither does she. Certainly do not bring it up. CRINGE.
no subject
no subject
Dear LW, If you feel like your child is hiding something from you, have a conversation with them. Don't snoop. Let them know they can talk to you about anything (assuming they can, don't promise that if they cannot). Because, it may not be the fanfic they are hiding. It may not be just the pandemic that is causing depression.
Hopefully the LW has organised some professional counselling for their child as well. For the depression, not for the fanfic.