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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2020-01-22 06:53 pm

Back Down, Mama Bear

Dear Annie: Every December, my ex-mother-in-law organizes a holiday party for all of the women from her side of the family. It's a fancy dinner, and they have a $15 Secret Santa gift exchange.

As a rule, all attendees must be 16, and my daughter was thrilled that she was able to attend for the first time. She asked that I bring her to an upscale gift store so she could buy (with her own money, I might add) a really nice gift.

After hours of browsing, she wound up purchasing an array of lovely smaller gifts, which totaled slightly more than $15. She came home and wrapped it so beautifully; she was so proud of herself as she headed off to the party with her present in hand. I couldn't help but think about how much she reminds me of my ex-mother-in-law, who is also very artistic and crafty and takes great pride in her gift-giving as well. My daughter is the definition of a chip off the old block.

When my daughter returned from the party, she said she had a nice time but that her gift was not well-received. Apparently, a few of the ladies were making fun of it.

According to my daughter, everyone was asking whose it was, but my daughter didn't speak up. At the time, we laughed about it and didn't really think of it as a big deal, until six months later.

My daughter comes home from a visit with the ex-in-laws and tells me that my ex-mother-in-law, and a few other family members, figured out that the gift from the party was from my daughter, and, while at a family gathering in front of everyone, came right out and accused my daughter of "regifting" her gift.

They had the audacity to accuse her of picking random stuff from her own bedroom, wrapping them up and regifting them. The whole family joined in and made a joke of it, and my daughter was crushed and extremely embarrassed.

My daughter put a ton of thought and effort into her gifts and really felt that whoever got it would love them. Instead, she was humiliated and shamed into not wanting to be around that side of her family anymore.

Clearly, my ex-mother-in-law is in the wrong, and I desperately want to give her a piece of my mind. But my daughter has forbidden me from addressing it and said she just won't go to the annual party any more.

This isn't OK with me. I am Mom. I am supposed to protect my kids and stand up for them, but my daughter doesn't want me to, and I want to respect her wishes. However, it's harder than I thought, and I feel like I really should stick up for her.

Annie, should I ignore my daughter's wishes and confront my ex-mother-in-law about the regifting (with the receipt from the store), or should I just let it go? -- Feeling Useless in CT


Dear Feeling Useless in CT: Wanting to protect our children and stand up for them is a natural motherly instinct. But the real gift you can give your daughter is to help her develop her own ability to protect herself and stand up for herself. Encourage your daughter to talk with your ex-mother-in-law about how her accusations of "regifting" were hurtful. I doubt your ex-mother-in-law would have participated in the teasing if she knew that her granddaughter would be so pained.

If your ex-mother-in-law is still nasty about it to your daughter, remind your daughter that she knows in her heart that she did the right thing. It's her reaction to others, not what they say or do, that's important and how she'll find self-esteem and peace of mind.

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[personal profile] xenacryst 2020-01-23 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
Uh, yeah. People who make nasty jokes at other people's expenses don't do it out of the goodness of their hearts.
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[personal profile] cereta 2020-01-23 01:25 am (UTC)(link)
I see the "encourage relationships with people who treat you badly" is still in full swing.
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[personal profile] melannen 2020-01-23 02:27 am (UTC)(link)
I'm curious as to if there's any sort of relationship with the parent that ex-MIL is related to. I agree that Mom going to bat for her will not go anywhere good, but it would be nice if she could be encouraged to get the other parent on-side for her (especially since presumably they were at the gathering where it happened.) But it's hard to say from the letter whether that is a possible thing, or whether it's something LW would even know about if it did happen. (I mean, best case scenario for the daughter, it *could* be a situation of "Mom, no, please, Dad already read them the riot act" except Daughter has learned not to mention Dad to Mom at all.)

But either way: a great way to convince your teenagers never to share things with you is to immediately try to fix every bad thing they tell you about, whether they want you to or not. Let them vent, and then if it's needed help them work out a good solution that *they* want to implement.
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[personal profile] likeaduck 2020-01-23 04:53 am (UTC)(link)
If we're assuming the other parent is male (statistically likely) then he wouldn't have been at a "holiday party for all of the women from [ex-MIL's] side of the family".
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[personal profile] rosefox 2020-01-23 06:42 am (UTC)(link)
He could still absolutely speak up, and arguably has more standing to do so. But that depends on whether he was at the second event (which seems like a non-gender-segregated thing) and chimed in on the mockery.

What an awful thing. That poor kid. :(
Edited 2020-01-23 06:44 (UTC)
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[personal profile] colorwheel 2020-01-23 08:30 am (UTC)(link)
yeah, the second event wasn't the holiday party, it was six months later. the only thing we know about who was at the second event is that it included the ex-mother-in-law "and a few other family members." it could have included that parent. :(
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[personal profile] cereta 2020-01-23 12:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Very much your second paragraph. There have been SO MANY THINGS I have wanted to charge in to try to "fix" for my kid, and so many time that she has asked me not to. It's really, really hard, especially because I'm a fixer by nature, but I need to respect her wishes, because the fallout won't fall on me.
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[personal profile] melannen 2020-01-23 04:51 pm (UTC)(link)
And speaking as not a parent of teens but someone who once was one: it's nice to be able to vent, and, IDK, exaggerate a little? make the story more one-sided than it probably really was? Because you have a lot of FEELINGS okay? But maybe they are not feelings that it would be good to act on, which is why you are venting at home.

I mean, this situation sounds like it probably is actually that bad, but you need to be able to say "OMG Becky is so horrible, she's a lying stealing traitor and ruined my life" because you had a bad day and Becky wouldn't let you borrow her math notes, without having to worry about Mom going over and yelling at Becky's mom, especially when you know you'll probably make up with Becky tomorrow, you know?

So when Mom tries to fix all the things, you'll probably stop telling her about Becky, and then when Becky does something that absolutely no exaggerating needs fixing by grownups, you'll feel like you can't say that either, because you've been hiding your Becky feelings all this time.
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[personal profile] ashbet 2020-01-23 02:31 am (UTC)(link)
*blood boils on behalf of that poor kid*

I’ve had to bite my tongue a few times, at my kiddo’s request (she has social anxiety and doesn’t like to make waves), so I think the mother should respect her daughter’s request to drop it...

But, WOW, what a shitty group of people. That is not only ungrateful and ungracious, but straight-up cruel to do that to a 16-year-old.

Public humiliation over a sincerely-given gift is just ugly and rotten-hearted, and I don’t blame the daughter for not wanting to associate with those relatives again.
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[personal profile] heavenscalyx 2020-01-23 12:23 pm (UTC)(link)
And it may just be the singular eye-opening experience that helps the kid see the toxicity in that side of the family. LW doesn’t talk about reasons that the ex is an ex, but I’d bet there’s a continuum of awful there throughout the family. (Reminds me of my goddaughter’s father’s family, who are all either awful people or [rarely] relatively nice people who get shredded by the awful people at family events.)
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[personal profile] cynthia1960 2020-01-24 08:55 am (UTC)(link)
Yup yup yup
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[personal profile] onlysmallwings 2020-01-23 03:36 pm (UTC)(link)
At 16, the kiddo can begin to make these decisions for herself. Even though it galls LW, she needs to bite her tongue and let the teen choose how to handle this one. Choosing to not engage with that side of her family is a choice she is allowed to make. They had 16 years to show her the sort of people they are and now she gets to decide if that is the sort she wants to associate with.